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To: Dale Baker who wrote (1667)7/15/2005 6:32:20 PM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 544041
 
Uh huh. I just wanted to bring some balance & a little
context to the issue since we agree it is important to
take a balanced view.

The poll I cited seems to show that rather than a "take
advantage" aspect, it may well be that the harsh rhetoric
that dominates politics these days has hurt all politicians
in the eyes of the general public. And perhaps it has hurt
the more vocal party rather than helped them.

One other thing to consider. Polls done for internal uses
tend to be far more accurate than polls done for the MSM.
    Here We Go Again - Debunking Another Slanted Poll From 
The Washington Post
    For about the 9 millionth time it's up to us to tell you 
why the latest MSM poll, this one from the Washington
Post, which purports to show that President Bush and his
policies are as popular as Michael Jackson at a Boy Scout
meeting, is flawed.
          Party Leanings 
30% Democrat;
31% Republican, and
34% Independent
    Sounds fair you say (even though the 2004 exit poll 
showed R's and D's split at about 37%).....utill you read
the next question and you find that the respondents
"lean" towards the Democrats by a percentage of 48% to 34%

    Age of Respondents - The poll also over samples the 
number of 18-29 year old voters, the age group that voted
most for Kerry. In 2004, 17% of the electorate was
between 18-29, and Kerry's advantage among them was +9%.
In the Post's poll that age group was 21% of the sample.
    Income Level of Respondents - Next take into 
consideration the annual income of the Post poll's
respondents. In 2004, 45% of the electorate was making
under $50K, and voted for Kerry 55-44%. But in the Post's
poll, 55% of respondents make under $50K. That's a huge
jump in likely Democratic voters among the Post poll's
respondents.
(much more at link)
Message 21400228
    Power Line - I also liked this comment by professional 
pollster Robert Moran:
    Please keep in mind that most media produced polls are 
not very good, are done by the lowest bidder in the
cheapest possible way, and are generally biased in their
wording and flow. The best polling is the polling done
for private clients that is never released, because this
polling is done to find where voters really are and to
make campaign decisions, not advocate a position or add
juice to a story.
    That it consistent with our experience; we sometimes have 
access to polling done by campaigns, and it always turns
out to be more reliable than newspaper polls.
    Having said that, it shouldn't be a surprise that lots of 
people (whatever the right number may be) don't think the
Iraq war is worth the cost. Why would they? Anyone who
relies on the newspapers believes that:
    1) we went to war only because of Saddam's WMDs, and 
    2) there weren't any WMDs.
    Further, the casual news consumer never hears about Iraq 
except when there is an explosion. There was an increase
in support for the war following the elections in
January, but that was the last time most people heard any
good news.
    If I were a liberal, I'd be frustrated that so many 
Americans continue to support the war, despite a near-
blackout on the reasons for doing so.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21400489

Here's a perfect example of a rigged poll. Ask loaded,
misleading questions, oversample liberals & undersample
conservatives. This is a quite common practice in the MSM.

....ABC News/Washington Post poll is getting a lot of press....
    Sure enough: they over-sampled Democrats. If you look at 
page 16 of the poll data, which can be downloaded from
the Post's article, it discloses that 35% of the poll's
respondents were Democrats, while only 28% were
Republicans. Given that slightly more self-identified
Republicans than Democrats voted in last November's
election, this represents an egregious, seven-point over-
sampling of Democrats. No wonder the poll data are bad
for Republicans.....
    ....poll that asks, "Would you support or oppose changing 
Senate rules to make it easier for Republicans to confirm
President Bush's judicial nominees?" Not surprisingly,
given the wording of the poll, a huge majority of
respondents said they oppose the Republicans....
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21266315
Message 21266663
Message 21269900
Message 21310709
    As I opined yesterday, I thought that the AP-Ipsos poll 
was a phony. Today, thanks to the GOP publishing the
specifics of the polling, I've got proof of the phoniness
of the polling.
    Forty percent of those surveyed said they were 
Republicans & 50 percent Democrats. The largest age
group, 31 percent, was between the ages of 18-34.
    In exit polling at the 2004 election sites, party 
registration was evenly split at 37%. This poll is also
fatally flawed in making the best age cohort for Dems the
biggest cohort of the polling.
    Also keep in mind that the AP-Ipsos poll isn't a reliable 
measure of public opinion. Last fall, they consistently
misreported the state of the presidential race in Kerry's
favor, with 1 such poll just the week before the election
showing Kerry winning 52% of the vote.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21409898
    More Unusual Demographics In Media Polling
    I have often written about the suspect adjustments made 
to the sampling on CBS polls, which skew the results so
that they put the Bush administration and the Republicans
in a harsher light than the raw data indicates. While the
new Washington Post/ABC poll doesn't appear to employ the
same "weighting" technique that CBS used to shift its
demographics to give the Democrats a four-point edge that
its sample didn't support, the Post/ABC sample itself
appears very suspect.
    Question 904 asks respondents to identify to which party 
they lean the most
          Democrats:   48%
Republicans: 34%
Neither: 16%
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21400180
    A new Gallup Poll reports that President Bush’s approval 
rating has fallen to 46%. The internals of the poll are
quite favorable to Democrats, so it looks like we are
doomed next year.
    Well, not quite.
   “In the survey sample, 36% called themselves Democrats, 
29% Republicans. Including those who “lean” toward a
party, 51% were Democrats, 40% Republicans.”
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21352736
    CBS Poll: Behind The Numbers
    The new weighted numbers increase Democrats from 34.3% of 
the sample to 36.3%, while dropping Republicans from
33.9% to 31.9%, creating a gap that went from 0.4% to
4.4% in favor of Democrats. The CBS weighting puts
Republicans on the same footing as independents, an
unusual and unrealistic model for any polling sample.
   "It's not the first time that CBS skewed its polling 
samples to get the desired results"
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21362557
    In early October 2004, Newsweek released a poll 
immediately after the first presidential debate....
....Newsweek was basing its headline "The Race is On" and
accompanying story on a comparison between its two most
recent polls. The problem, though, was that the polling
data was inconsistent. The October Newsweek poll sampled
more Democrats than it did Republicans....
    So why the breathless headlines?
    ...."As a result, the opportunity for honest debate was lost."
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21349344
Message 21352734
    Redirection: How the MSM Plays Games With the Numbers
    As usual, a closer look at the numbers reveals the lie. 
Let’s take a look at the three most recent Job Approval
polls, by CBS, Quinnipiac, and the CNN/USA Today/Gallup
cooperative.
    On the face, it would appear that Bush’s numbers are 
slipping to the mid-to-low 40’s, but that claim does not
stand up to inspection.
(Details at link)
Message 21366898
        Polling Dissonance
    ....with rare exceptions the media’s political opinion 
polls tend to overstate Democrat support and
simultaneously to understate GOP support. That’s been
going on for years and years and years.
    To illustrate the harsh reality of media polling 
dissonance, we’re going to start with last year’s
election cycle:
          Florida - 2004
    October 30, 2004.
Source: CNN/Gallup/USA Today
Poll: Kerry allegedly leads by three points, 49-46
    October 31, 2004
Survey USA
Poll: Bush allegedly leads merely by one point, 49-48
    November 1, 2004
American Research Group
Poll: Kerry allegedly leads by two points, 50-48
    the actual results were:
    November 2, 2004
Source: Voters
Bush wins the state by five full percentage points, 52-47-1
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21498111
        ALERT! GALLUP POLL BIAS!
    Do you remember the Gallup Poll that had President Bush 
with a 45% job approval rating? Well, the new poll has
President Bush moving up to a 46% job approval rating.
    However, the sample in the former poll was 33% 
Republican, 32% Independent, 34% Democratic.
    The new poll, that only has marginal improvement in his 
approval rating, is only 29% Republican, 31% Independent,
and 38% Democrat.
    If this were 1980, that poll might, might be accurate. 
This is 2004, and the GOP is at parity with the
Democratic Party.
    In other words, add 4% to the Preisdent’s job approval 
rating in the new poll, and you have his real rating.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21469916
        Oh, Those Polls! - 6/12/2005 
    Just as an aside, the Rasmussen Reports poll on President 
Bush's job approval shows the President at 50% approve...
...just about where its been all year; so much for the
concept that his support has been steadily dropping all
year, which is the gist of what other polls have shown.
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21410332

Bush’s Rising Approval Ratings - 7/12/2005
Message 21495323



To: Dale Baker who wrote (1667)7/15/2005 6:45:01 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 544041
 
I don't know if you saw this article- it's interesting:

House not home: Foreigners buy up American real estate By Ron Scherer, Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Fri Jul 15, 4:00 AM ET


MIAMI - Earlier this year, real estate marketer Melissa Rubin took some South American clients to a party to promote a new condo that developers hoped to sell before a shovel hit the ground.


Even by Miami standards, the party was exotic. There were tigers, chimps, human flamethrowers, jumbo TVs, and the usual red-carpet food and drink. There was also a bikini-clad woman covered in chocolate. "If we take them to a party, it helps them get excited about the project," says Ms. Rubin of Platinum Properties International.

Indeed, developers are going all-out to charm their clients, and more and more those clients include the world's wealthy elite from such countries as Argentina, Mexico, Australia, and Germany. These foreign buyers, in fact, are one of the important reasons the housing bubble continues to grow in hot markets like Miami, New York, and Las Vegas. In many cases, they're taking advantage of the strong euro or trying to get their money into a dollar-denominated hiding place.

The result: In Miami, for one, some condo buildings have as much as two-thirds of their units owned by foreigners. Call it America for Sale.

"No question, foreigners are part of the bubble," says Stephen Wayner, first vice president at Bayview Financial Exchange Services LLC in Miami.

Although there are no numbers indicating how much foreigners are pouring into the United States to buy condos, there are some eye-opening anecdotal signs:

• In Las Vegas, wealthy foreign buyers - mostly from Mexico - have snapped up 12 percent of the condos at Icon, twin 48-story towers that are now almost sold out even though they won't start construction until next month.

• New York City real estate brokers estimate that up to 33 percent of new condos sold in the city are going to non-Americans, especially Europeans, who one broker describes as "very aggressive."

• Asian buyers are jumping in, too. Real estate agents are flying to Shanghai, Beijing, Bangkok, and Kuala Lumpur to talk up the property market. Recently, a large group of Korean finance, construction, insurance, and engineering executives conducted a "study tour" of southeast Florida real estate. They plan to return next April.

A bargain purchase
Part of the allure of American real estate is the cost. While some of the prices may seem high to Americans, to Europeans and others the real estate feels like a bargain, particularly when figured in euros or pounds sterling.

Miami has long had a history of attracting Latin American investment. The weather reminds Central and South Americans of home, and they've visited Miami's shops for years, lugging home everything from appliances to designer sneakers. In addition, Spanish may be the first language of south Florida instead of English. And the South American elite have long viewed the city as a safe place to stockpile dollar-denominated assets, whether it be in cash or real estate.

"Every planeload comes in with potential buyers," says Ronald Shuffield, president of Esslinger-Wooten-Maxwell Realtors in Coral Gables, which is also representing Met 3, a 74-story condo tower. "Almost every Latin American who buys a condominium here has in the back of their mind, 'That's my safe refuge. If I have to leave, that's where I can go.' "

What's also changed is the active selling of US real estate on foreign shores. Within the past month, Mr. Shuffield has sent brokers to Argentina and Spain for real estate trade shows. ("They are just like yacht trade shows," he says.) Recently, he had a broker in Mexico City meeting with people who might want to plunk down up to $2 million for a condo.

Recently, Rubin's partner rented a hotel suite in Caracas, Venezuela, to show floor plans to brokers and their clients. "He came back with lots of leads and sold a few," says Rubin, who tries to maintain a relationship with her foreign clients by sending birthday cards and calling them every six weeks to update them on the market.

The next wave of buyers might well be from Asia. Several new Miami condos have Asian names such as Mei, the mythical Chinese symbol for beauty.

This week, John Pinson, a real estate agent in Palm Beach and president of the International Real Estate Federation (FIABCI-USA), is traveling to China and Malaysia. He has also scheduled future trips to Hong Kong, Thailand, Japan, and India. "Some of the newest buyers are Vietnamese and Thais," he adds.

Marketing a 'buzz'
Whoever the prospective foreign buyers, marketers say it is important to create a "buzz." One way to do this is a launch party where no money exchanges hands. In Las Vegas, the Icon tower party featured a chocolate fountain and South American, Asian, and Californian cuisine. And, says Sarah Prinsloo, president of Related Prinsloo Realty Services in Las Vegas, there were foreign real estate brokers who speak English. So far, 12 percent of the units have been sold to Mexicans. "They are coming for second homes and an investment," says Ms. Prinsloo.

Fortune International, exclusive brokers for Avenue, two new towers in Miami, are even more successful at attracting foreign buyers. In four months, Fortune has sold almost one-third of the units to South Americans and another third to Europeans. The company has a large network of foreign brokers who help to line up potential customers. They also do major events, says Lucrecia Lindemann, the sales director, such as hot-air balloon rides and special lunches.

"I'm just back from Paris, and sales to the Jewish community there are good," says Ms. Lindemann. "And the Italians are coming here for security and personal reasons."

For many of the foreigners, it's been a beneficial purchase. Lindemann says in less than a year, prices on condos along Brickell Avenue, where her buildings are rising, have soared almost 75 percent.

"Everything here has been a good investment for them," she says.