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To: Ilaine who wrote (125616)	7/16/2005 11:40:04 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 793838

We're a foreign body, like a splinter in their flesh, and they want to expel us. Recall how many of the terrorist cells are in Europe. That they want to expel us, is the gripe the Islamists give out for everything that happened after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. The underlying gripe is the weakness of Muslim East that caused the fall of the Ottoman Empire, which, far from hastening, the Europeans had been propping up during most of the 19th century. The gripe is that the West is strong while they are weak, and their young people run to the West, where they don't know who they are anymore. Some of the them become Islamists on the rebound. Afterwards, many gripes can be found to explain why. There is never a shortage of political gripes.

To: Ilaine who wrote (125616)	7/16/2005 11:40:32 AM
From: LindyBill	Respond to of 793838

What would the entire Middle East do without the Pax Americana? That is why I keep my hopes up for Barnett's solution. This area has to change. And connecting up is only way it will. I don't find the hatred of the third generation Muslims in Europe to be something that will happen in the ME as they westernize. In Europe, they have their noses rubbed in it. In the ME, they are part of the culture. I was heartened by the ME poll I posted last week. There is a shift going on there that is in our favor. Our number one difficulty is overcoming the international left/media opposition. The Islamists feed off it.

To: Ilaine who wrote (125616)	7/16/2005 12:26:00 PM
From: skinowski	Respond to of 793838

We're a foreign body, like a splinter in their flesh, and they want to expel us It appears that in Iraq this is true only with respect to the Sunni crowd. The Shi'a side of the equation seems to have little problem with our presence. They think they could control the moderate Muslims if we weren't interfering, and I think they're probably right Agree. The Wahhabi extremists have become very strong. The entire coalition - along with the Iraqi security forces - is having difficulties containing them. Give them a chance, and Islamist governments will begin popping up all over the place... they'll take over like wild fire.