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To: geode00 who wrote (166260)	7/16/2005 7:31:58 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

But I am very curious about the legal basis of using Guard as proper army/military. Can a guardsman challenge this in court as "this is not what I signed up for"? Does anyone know of such legal challenges?

To: geode00 who wrote (166260)	7/16/2005 8:22:29 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The Martians Have Landed! A Little Conspiracy Theorizing from BuzzFlash... Patrick Fitzgerald, Rove Has Got You In His Sites, Take Care. buzzflash.com July 17, 2004 A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS Karl Rove has now given us an astounding insight into PlameGate! According to Karl, Bushevik journalists leaked classified information TO him! Holy, Batbrain, Karl was the last to know! Will wonders never cease? And for the first time in White House history, a President's chief domestic policy adviser, who has classified clearance, was leaked classified information destructive to the national security of the United States by members of the media! Zowie, simply astounding! Of course, it's all a crock of hooey from the Turd Blossom. At a time when Scott McClellan keeps repeating that Bush doesn't want anyone in the White House to comment on an ongoing investigation, Rove is orchestrating a major PR defense of his treason that is offensive to common sense. And Bush makes sure that Rove is seen ambling at his side during photo-ops. Is this hypocritical? Hey, is a mob boss a thug? Meanwhile, Bob Novak -- Rove was fired by Poppy Bush for leaking to "Baghdad Bob" in 1992 -- disproved Turd Blossom's entire alibi. Novak, in an early PlameGate interview, defended himself this way: "I didn't dig it [Valerie Plame's name] out, it was given to me," Novak said. "They [two White House "senior" officials] thought it was significant, they gave me the name and I used it." americablog.blogspot.com And then there's the latest hypothesis: Rove may have read a State Department document on Air Force One that identified Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA deep cover operative specializing in tracking WMD. Rove may have then called Judith Miller -- a drama queen, who likes to be a player inside the Bush Administration -- and told Miller of Plame's cover and sort of indicated that it was a "useful piece of information" for reporters to know (or Scooter Libby may have done the calling). Then Novak and Cooper called Rove, among other reporters, already knowing about Valerie Wilson Plame's cover because Karl or Scooter had used Miller as a "virus" to spread it around. That way Karl (and Scooter) had what is known as "plausible deniability." So Rove could then claim that he found out about Plame's undercover status from journalists, even though he was the original leaker. Another theory holds that Karl had Ari Fleischer leak it to Miller to "spread around." Mind you, Rove still committed a crime and breach of national security in confirming to reporters Plame's status -- even if you accept his ludicrous current cover story (which has set off the B.S. alarm everywhere but at the RNC and in the mainstream media). Rove's "alibi" obscures his culpability -- even given his current lie about betraying the nation -- by blaming journalists for outing a CIA operative who specialized in tracking WMD, the very reason Bush and Cheney claimed we urgently needed to attack Iraq. Rove also exposed Wilson-Plame's CIA front company, anyway you look at it. Does anyone know if Rove is on Al-Qaeda's payroll? Because Osama bin Laden would die to do this much damage to our national security. And, remember, Novak claims a second senior administration source confirmed Valerie Plame was a CIA operative. Who might that be? Are Ari Fleischer and Libby Scooter squirming, wondering if Fitzgerald is the rarest of commodities, an honest man upholding justice in the Orwellian land of Bushevik betrayal and lies? Or is the whole so-called "Iraq Working Group" in the White House trying to figure out whether to hang together or hang separately? And don't forget, as BuzzFlash has recently reminded our readers (something the mainstream media has forgotten), Bush retained a personal attorney to represent him in the PlameGate investigations shortly after legal proceedings began. So it doesn't come as a surprise that the normally Bush-biased Washington Post published a story on July 16 that Judith Miller may get a charge of "criminal contempt" thrown at her, which would lengthen her prison stay if approved by the judge, which appears likely. washingtonpost.com Because, as the Post article observes: "But in this closely held investigation, federal appeals court judges of very different ideological stripes and Hogan have reviewed secret evidence and have agreed that Miller's and Cooper's claims of a right to protect their sources is outweighed by the public interest in investigating a possible breach of national security." So as long as BuzzFlash is entering the Twilight Zone of potential conspiracy theories, then here's another one. Soon Bush's Rotweiller, Rove, will have his minions tone down the vicious attacks on Joe Wilson. Rove's next target will be his highest stakes maneuver yet. In a "go for broke" attack on the fundamental tenets of the system of American justice, we predict Rove is already using cut-outs to try and figure out a discreet way to personally expose some skeleton in Fitzgerald's closet that will then call the "character, judgment and motivation" of the prosecutor into question -- and sink the investigation through an ad hominem attack. This is Rove's pathological gutter tactic. He doesn't know how NOT to use it when backed into a corner. And then there's the Attorney General who might just be open to a discreet tete-a-tete with Karl about how he can rein in Fitzgerald. After all, Alberto Gonzales is Bush's former attorney as Governor and President. He approved a record number of executions in Texas and signed off on the U.S. becoming a nation that condones torture. He's also number one on Bush's short list for a seat on the Supreme Court. In short, he's a full-fledged Bushevik "made man." Karl knows that loyalty is everything -- so watch for slime about Fitzgerald to start oozing from the mainstream media if Judith Miller shows signs of starting to talk, in return for immunity from prosecution. Of course, in Fitzgerald's case, Rove will have to make up the allegations, but he and Bush are master B.S. artists -- and the mainstream media loves to turn their fictions into fact. Just look at how the mainstream media abetted the Bush Administration lying us into a war and then undercutting our national security by exposing a CIA operative who specialized in tracking the very weapons that Bush and Cheney claimed we were going to war to stop from being used by Iraq. Of course, there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. Tens of thousands of people have died as a result. Billions upon billions of our taxpayer dollars that could have been used to improve the lives of our people here in America have been wasted. And all Rove, Bush, Cheney and the GOP can do is defend outing a CIA operative who was trying to prevent the spread of Weapons of Mass Destruction. My God, that last paragraph must be a conspiracy theory, except that it's true, which puts the security of the entire nation at risk as long as Rove, Bush and Cheney love their power before they love the nation and the truth. Bush is giving Rove carte blanche to take no prisoners in his effort to defend the indefensible, because if Rove is prosecuted for his treason, Bush is left without a brain -- and his veneer of credibility shattered beyond repair. If we were Patrick Fitzgerald, we'd apply a few layers of teflon coating right now and get ready for the broadsides from FOX and Rush, because it's time for Karl to start trash talking the prosecutor. There's nothing left for him to do if Judith Miller breaks ranks. A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

To: geode00 who wrote (166260)	7/16/2005 9:22:54 PM
From: stockman_scott	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The Screwing of America and The Stain on The Flag --by Kin O'Brien By Citizens For Legitimate Government legitgov.org Karl Rove has screwed the American people. When Bill Clinton was condemned for getting a famous stain on a famous blue dress, the GOP went after him for over two years, crying "Impeachment! Clinton is a liar! IMPEACH!!!" Well, now. Let's cut to the chase, shall we? Karl Rove has outed a CIA agent and risked the lives of said agent as well as all her contacts in the world. His action, with the enthusiastic compliance of a couple of so-called unbiased news reporters, has made our country more vulnerable to terrorism. His behavior is beyond disgusting and criminal...it is UNPATRIOTIC. Karl Rove has possibly committed an act of treason. At the very least, he has broken the law and compromised our national security. And...lies? Shall we count all the lies from this administration? How about the lies regarding nonexistent WMD that promoted an illegal invasion and destruction of a country that had never done anything against the American people? Yes, those are the lies that Joseph Wilson exposed to the world, lies that were corroborated by the infamous Downing Street Memo and largely ignored by the UNPATRIOTIC American media, who are nothing more than a GOP mouthpiece that has been criminally complicit in allowing Bush and his minions to deceive the American people, and to cover-up the numerous crimes and skullduggery of government and military officialdom and their US corporate shadows. As the Karl Rove saga continues, it's important that we keep in mind that Rove and Bush are joined at the hip. To assume that Bush is clueless about Rove's actions is absurd. While everyone is focusing on Rove, maybe the REAL question is...did the historically vindictive Bush have a hand in this adventure? If he didn't actually ORDER the outing of Valerie Plame, he MOST CERTAINLY knew his friend Rove was involved. To think otherwise is to live in denial with the tooth fairy and Osama bin Forgotten. I find it very interesting that the GOP isn't all over this scandal the way they were when Clinton was screwing Monica and leaving stains on her blue dress. (Interesting...but not surprising. The neocons don't EVER put the good of the country over party loyalty and corporate interests. Just check some of the pork barrel legislation that benefits big business at the expense of the American people, and my observation will prove to be correct). Karl Rove has stained the the fabric of our American flag with his actions, and it's long past time that the American people wake up and realize that while a love affair with an intern isn't the most becoming behavior from a powerful politician, it definitely isn't an act of treason. While a lie about sex isn't going to hurt the country, a lie about sending our sons and daughters to die in an illegal and unprovoked war IS. While Bill Clinton lied to keep his personal life a secret, his lie didn't kill anyone. And his lie didn't compromise national security. This administration is built on lies and crimes against the American people and humanity. Instead of telling the American people the TRUTH about these lies and crimes, we are inundated with more important news, like Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, and Janet Jackson's breast. The American media is totally beholden to the GOP military/corporate machine that feeds it, and we, the American people, are the "Monicas" of this cabal of thugs. We are ALL getting screwed. Iraqi citizens are getting screwed. The planet is getting screwed. I don't know about you, but I'm fed up. It's time to throw these bums out! It's time for the American people to DEMAND honesty and integrity in our government and in the media. Our taxes are paying for these crimes, and I, for one, am REALLY PISSED OFF that I am paying these thugs to screw me and the rest of my family. Look around you...wherever you live...and ask yourself... "Does my town need money for decent schools? Decent roads? Better water quality? Safe places for the kids to play? Enough food and shelter for everyone? Adequate medical facilities? How about Senior Services and Veterans' Programs?" If you're like me, you will have noticed that your town is lacking in ALL those areas. Your local newspapers are telling you that there is no money. Yet, BILLIONS of our tax dollars are still unaccounted for in Iraq. We are even paying for SPACE MISSIONS because Bush has a "quirky little thing" for Mars. We're paying for FREE SPEECH ZONE CAGES and POLICE TASERS and OTHER WEAPONS TO BE USED AGAINST US if we try to exercise our First Amendment rights to free speech and peaceful assembly. We are paying for the libraries that the government feels free to enter and document our reading habits. The libraries are paid for with LOCAL TAXES...the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO RIGHT TO DICTATE HOW WE USE THEM. Protesters and teachers are called "Domestic Terrorists"! Doesn't something STINK? Don't you wonder why there is no money for clean water for your kids to drink? Don't you wonder why the people who WORK FOR US always seem to have MORE than the rest of us? Public servants who are elected to WORK FOR THE PEOPLE are too busy working for the corporate and pharmaceutical industry lobbyists to pay any attention to US. Their fat salaries and excellent benefits come out of OUR pockets, and many of those so-called public servants are MILLIONAIRES! GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK! I am PISSED OFF, and I hope the American people will wake up and start taking ACTION before it's too late. Our kids and grandkids have one hell of a dark, dangerous future with never-ending war and misery ahead of them unless we get these thugs OUT of Our White House and behind bars in The Big House where they belong. Forget the partisan crap! We're ALL in this together! Are we going to just SIT HERE AND LET THEM SCREW US??? Are we going to let them screw our children?? This is MY COUNTRY. This is YOUR COUNTRY. This is AMERICA....NOT "THE HOMELAND," as these thugs like to call it. Why isn't Homeland Security called "American Security"? What is WITH this creepy term? An uncommon word to begin with, "homeland" became an everyday word after the Sept. 11 attacks and was institutionalized when President Bush created the Office of Homeland Security. Jeff Neberman, who teaches European history at Boise State University, says it's "right out of Nazi Germany." The German word "heimat" means "homeland" and was used by the Nazis. Others dispute a direct Nazi link and note various cultures have used the word, too. "Homeland" has "obviously grated on quite a number of people," said Todd Gitlin, who teaches culture and sociology at Columbia University. "It feels like an import even if you're not aware that its origins are German." Leslie Savan, who wrote a book about advertising and popular culture, said "homeland" makes her think not only of Germany, but also of Russia and South Africa's former apartheid government. "It's been one of those words that's supposed to sound cozy and warm," she said. "But because it sounds cozy and warm it has been used by totalitarian governments." [ Source: hypocrites.com ] It's time to stop wishing for change in AMERICA. It's time to stop following the rules that our government creates for US, with a very DIFFERENT set of rules for themselves and their pals. It's time to create new rules. It's time to create the People's Court on a massive scale, and bring these crooks and traitors to justice...REAL JUSTICE, not just your typical judiciary handslap that IMPORTANT PEOPLE GET and is so prevalent in the system today. Joe Blow gets life in prison for smoking a joint, and the REAL criminals in America are using our national silverware to pig out on Texas barbecue. Halliburton is laughing all the way to the bank when the American people are unable to afford the gas to get to work, and Martha Stewart does time because of a trumped up government plot to divert the people from their corporate criminal friends. By the way, does anyone know where we can send a card to Kenny-Boy Lay while he does HIS time? Oh! He's NOT in prison? Really? I WONDER WHY, DON'T YOU? Karl Rove is the tip of the iceberg, folks. It's the first time we've been able to highlight ONE of this administration's criminal, UNPATRIOTIC acts. Don't let them bury it. Karl Rove is going to get a pass from Bush...you KNOW it. Don't let him get a pass from the American people! Let's call these thugs what they are...UNPATRIOTIC TRAITORS WHO HAVE SCREWED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. Don't let them hide behind the flag. Don't let them weasel their way out of this one. They mean great harm to all of us, and to our children and grandchildren. They mean great harm to innocent people all over the planet. They mean great harm to our liberties and freedoms. They mean great harm to the environment. Karl Rove outed a CIA agent because he is a vindictive SOB who works for and with a vindictive SOB. He endangered our country, our children, and CIA contacts all over the world. He needs to be arrested and brought to trial IN PUBLIC. We must NOT allow this story to die. Our future depends on it. It's time to protest at the media outlets. The media uses the publicly-owned airwaves to LIE to us. They have broken their trust with the American people, and we need to aggressively protest the criminal complicity of the Fourth Estate and let them, the government and the world know that "WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE AREN'T GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!" Let's roll! Kin O'Brien 15 July 2005 Citizens For Legitimate Government