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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: puborectalis who wrote (692432)	7/17/2005 7:30:33 PM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 769670

Have you talked to your congressmen? Seems when I look around I don't see anyone trying to stop Bush. Nothing but talking heads getting face time on TV. Kinda like "Liveshot Kerry"....

To: puborectalis who wrote (692432)	7/17/2005 7:59:45 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769670

doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 This is a factually incorrect demolib talking point....

To: puborectalis who wrote (692432)	7/18/2005 1:40:33 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 769670

"This case is about Iraq" Video: Podesta- Plame Game is "About the war in Iraq" Posted by Trey Jackson Jackson's Junction John Podesta and Ken Mehlman appeared on Meet the Press with Tim Russert this morning and John Podesta told us what "Leakgate" is really about: "The War in Iraq". You can watch the video HERE treyjackson.typepad.com Russert: When you were at the Clinton WH, you will remember Pres. Clinton's testimony under oath, where his lawyer, Mr. Bennett saying there is no sex of any kind, and Mr. Clinton saying it depends on what is "is". Are those the kind of legal evasions you are accusing the Bush WH of? Podesta: Well, I think the President paid a tremendous price. At the end of the day this isn't about Pres. Clinton, this is about the Bush WH, this is about the war in Iraq. This is about the fact that whether it's Dick Clarke or Joe Wilson or Gnl. Shinsheki or Max Cleland or Joe Wilson, the motus operandi is if you criticize this WH, if you suggest there is another point of view, you're attacked. You're smeared. Two critical points to make: (1) As the left continues to see the fault in their argument against Karl Rove, they continue to change the argument. Now it is "about the war in Iraq". (2) When did discrediting a persons statements become a personal attack? Herein lies the true problem with the left. If you successfully show that their statements/arguments/etc. lack credibility or are factually inaccurate, they take it personal and accuse you of "attacking" and "smearing" them personally. Not one of these individuals have been personally attacked [ i.e. republicans are Evil - that's a personal attack], but their statements have been debated and proven false. That is what a discussion is meant to do, ferret out the truth. So, what we learn today from the left's backpedaling on Karl Rove is that when you prove they are making inaccurate statements, they'll accuse you of "attacking" them and then change the subject. It is now "about the war in Iraq". Update: If you want a great run-down on this story...check out Ace's post: Rovemania -- Not Genuine News Of Any Importance, But An Amazing Simulation - Must read!! ace.mu.nu treyjackson.typepad.com msnbc.msn.com treyjackson.typepad.com

To: puborectalis who wrote (692432)	7/18/2005 1:45:58 AM
From: Sully-	Respond to of 769670

What "trumped up grounds"? Who said we are only at war against the 9/11 terrorists? How is "this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war". Sounds like a lot of revisionist history to me. Perhaps you can cite some real facts to support your assertions. Somehow I doubt it. ...."The real culprit.... is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped-up grounds and in so doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war"......

To: puborectalis who wrote (692432)	7/18/2005 5:51:12 AM
From: TideGlider	Respond to of 769670

The Wilson's aren't victims at all and it is the American people that have been victimized by their lies. Amazing how the libs change direction when they are proven wrong. Why did you send that post to me? This case is about Iraq, not Niger. The real victims are the American people, not the Wilsons. The real culprit - the big enchilada, to borrow a 1973 John Ehrlichman phrase from the Nixon tapes - is not Mr. Rove but the gang that sent American sons and daughters to war on trumped-up grounds and in so doing diverted finite resources, human and otherwise, from fighting the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11. That's why the stakes are so high: this scandal is about the unmasking of an ill-conceived war, not the unmasking of a C.I.A. operative who posed for Vanity Fair.