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To: Lane3 who wrote (1768)	7/18/2005 8:40:30 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541778

It may not be "helpful" but it is reality that a few political protests will be violent, and even terrorist. I don't think you can argue that some of the actions of the Weathermen were not political protests that were also terrorism. You don't want to be so "helpful" that you obscure reality.

To: Lane3 who wrote (1768)	7/18/2005 8:42:25 PM
From: epicure	Respond to of 541778

Yes another instance of political protest that was also terrorism: Defiant U.S. bomber Rudolph gets life sentence By Peggy Gargis Mon Jul 18, 4:51 PM ET BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (Reuters) - Insisting that he had "kept the faith," convicted Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph was sentenced to life in prison without parole on Monday for the 1998 bombing of an Alabama abortion clinic that killed a police officer and maimed a nurse. The 38-year-old abortion foe, who evaded capture by federal agents for five years, stood defiant in a federal court in Birmingham, Alabama, as U.S. District Judge Lynwood Smith sentenced him to two consecutive life terms without parole for bombing the New Woman All Women clinic in the city. "This country lionizes the fallen abortionist as a martyr for freedom, but he who attempted to knock the bloody knife out of her hand is treated as a criminal," Rudolph, clad in a dark orange prison suit, told the court before he was sentenced. "As I go to a prison cell for a lifetime, I know I have fought the good fight," he added. "I have kept the faith." Rudolph agreed to the sentence in April as part of a plea bargain that spared him a possible death penalty. As part of his deal with the Justice Department, the North Carolinian survivalist also confessed to the 1996 bombing of the Summer Olympics in Atlanta and subsequent blasts at an abortion clinic and gay bar in and around the Georgia capital. LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE He will be sentenced to two additional terms of life in prison without parole on Aug. 22 for the three Atlanta bombings, which killed one person and injured more than 100 others. "Murderers always have excuses for their barbarous actions," U.S. Attorney Alice Martin, the lead prosecutor in the Birmingham case, said at a news conference after the sentencing. Federal agents were able to tie Rudolph to the bombings largely because witnesses noticed him acting suspiciously after a remote control nail bomb exploded outside the Birmingham clinic on Jan. 29, 1998. The blast killed Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer, and badly injured nurse Emily Lyons. Lyons was blinded in one eye and has had more than a dozen operations to treat injuries to her face and body. "If there is one word that describes Eric Rudolph, it is 'failure,"' Lyons told the court during the sentencing on Monday. Sanderson's widow, Felicia, added that she had nothing to say to "that piece of garbage who killed my husband." Rudolph, who was captured at a resort in the mountains of North Carolina in 2003 following five years on the run from the FBI, also was ordered on Monday to pay $1.2 million in restitution to his victims and their families. After the hearing, Rudolph was taken back to the Birmingham jail that has been his home for more than two years. He is expected to be moved to a maximum security federal prison in Colorado, where he will serve his time. That is not likely to occur until he is sentenced in Atlanta next month. Prosecutors decided to go ahead with the plea deal amid concerns that potential jurors might sympathize with Rudolph, who became something of an outlaw legend as a fugitive not unlike U.S. bank robbers Jesse James and John Dillinger. It is believed that residents in western North Carolina, an area that resonates with anti-government sentiment, helped Rudolph or refrained from informing on him despite a large government reward. Federal officials also were concerned that jurors in Birmingham might be unwilling to impose the death penalty on Rudolph for the clinic bombing. Alabama has a large population of Christians who are strongly against abortion.

To: Lane3 who wrote (1768)	7/19/2005 10:31:43 AM
From: MulhollandDrive	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 541778

Which is part of why I think it's not helpful to conflate them. much more than 'not helpful' it is intellectual dishonesty, and in this context, most likely bore out of political bias to conflate the acts of terrorism to acts of 'protest' is the height of political spin if a person protests for example, his taxes, he may choose to write on the check 'under protest', or if he may conduct a protest 'march' in front of the IRS or if he's REALLY fanatical he may decide to self- immolate on the parking lot as a form of protest... however, if he bombs the IRS building, killing innocent victims...he's committed murder not "protest" dictionary.reference.com entries found for protest. pro·test ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-tst, pr-, prtst) v. pro·test·ed, pro·test·ing, pro·tests v. tr. To object to, especially in a formal statement. See Synonyms at object. To promise or affirm with earnest solemnity: “He continually protested his profound respect” (Frank Norris). Law. To declare (a bill) dishonored or refused. Archaic. To proclaim or make known: “unrough youths that even now/Protest their first of manhood” (Shakespeare). v. intr. To express strong objection. To make an earnest avowal or affirmation. n. (prtst) A formal declaration of disapproval or objection issued by a concerned person, group, or organization. An individual or collective gesture or display of disapproval. Law. A formal statement drawn up by a notary for a creditor declaring that the debtor has refused to accept or honor a bill. A formal declaration made by a taxpayer stating that the tax demanded is illegal or excessive and reserving the right to contest it. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Middle English protesten, from Old French protester, from Latin prtestr : pr-, forth; see pro-1 + testr, to testify (from testis, witness. See trei- in Indo-European Roots).] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- pro·tester n. pro·testing·ly adv. [Download Now or Buy the Book] Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Main Entry: pro·test Function: noun 1 : a solemn declaration of opinion and usually of disagreement: as a : a solemn written declaration by a notary public or U.S. consul on behalf of the holder of an instrument (as a note) announcing dishonor and declaring the liability of all parties to the instrument for any loss or damage arising from such action; also : the action of making or causing to be made such a declaration with due service of notice of dishonor b : a declaration made by the master of a ship before a notary, consul, or other authorized officer upon arrival in port after a disaster declaring that any loss was not the fault of the crew but due to the disaster c : a declaration made by a party esp. before or while paying a tax or performing a demanded act by which the declarer asserts that the justice or legality of the tax or act is disputed and that compliance is not voluntary 2 : the act of objecting or a gesture of disapproval; especially : a usually organized public demonstration of disapproval —protest verb —under protest : with noted objections (as of insufficient payment) and claims <cashed a check under protest>