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To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (38932)8/8/2005 12:50:26 AM
From: O'Hara  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
Hi Sydney,

Thank you for your genuine concern. I am doing OK. I have in fact been to some writers conferences. I am working on a book. I have already done some short stories. So now it is time for the big stuff.

God I do not miss this thread at all,just some of you guys.

Have a good day Sydney
Shalom



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (38932)8/11/2005 6:37:12 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
>> Also the idea of the Catholic Church perverting the Sabbath to Sunday when it did used to be Saturday. <<

hello sidney. first of all you need to understand that when the SDA heretics try to ascribe blame for the changing of worship from saturday to sunday to the ROMAN catholic church and the holy emperor St. Constantine they are speaking from total and utter ignorance.

we must be careful to distinguish the difference between the claims of liars and the claims of those who proclaim truth.

a perfect example of this can be found in the gospel of John, chapter 8, where the jews made the boast, "Abraham is our father." what was Christ's response? "If ye were Abraham's children..." so these unbelieving jews could claim Abraham as their father all they wanted, but it did not make it so.

these enemies of Christ persisted however, and then made an even bolder claim, "we have one Father, even God."

Christ rebuked them yet again, "If God were your Father..."

and then plainly told them just exactly whose children they were:

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do."

this same lying spirit of antichrist is revealed in the book of revelation as well. "I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie..."

so you see, you can call yourself a jew all you like, and boast of being children of Abraham or children of God, to no avail.

yet another example from the holy prophet Isaiah, chapter 48:

"Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the Lord, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness."

so it's plainly evident from all these passages that there are people who are called by the name Israel, who are called Jews, who call Abraham their father, and God their Father as well, who are nothing more than the synagogue of Satan, the children of the devil.

now let's apply this concept to the roman catholic church. the papist church claims to honor the memory of St. Constantine, along with many other Fathers of the Church. but does this make it so?

the jews claimed to honor Abraham and Moses, and God the Father himself, but Christ showed otherwise.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words? --John 5:45-47

the roman catholics claim to honor the saints such as the holy emperor Constantine, but they really dishonour them, by departing from their teachings, as the jews depart from Moses, yet claim him as their own.

so when the SDA preachers of antichrist try to associate the roman catholics and the blessed emperor St. Constantine with laws governing worship on sunday, they fail to grasp the concept that there was no such thing as a roman catholic church in the 4th century in the time of St. Constantine!

there was only the Orthodox Catholic Church -- i.e. the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Christ. you were either joined in communion to it, or you were with the schismatics and heretics.

it wasn't until several centuries later that certain of the popes of rome began to exalt their office and (falsely) claim universal headship over the Church, proclaiming that to be part of the Church one must be in communion and subservient to the roman pontiff.

SDA's want to (erroneously) blame the blessed emperor Constantine and the heretical latins for supposedly changing the sabbath, yet they don't even understand that St. Constantine is not even part of the roman catholic church. oh sure, the latin papists try to claim him as their saint, just as the jews try to lay claim to Abraham, Moses, and the rest of the holy prophets.

but glory be to God! for i know the truth. i will share it to you freely as i have received it freely.

the truth is, like the jews who claim Moses and the prophets who are not theirs, so in like manner the papists claim St. Constantine for their own, when in actuality he is only a Saint in one Church--that is the true Church of Christ--the Holy Orthodox Catholic Church.



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (38932)8/11/2005 7:07:58 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
ok, so now that we have established that St. Constantine is not and was not a roman catholic, but rather is an Orthodox Christian and Saint, we can take the heretical latin papal church out of the equation and decide the spurious claims solely on the merits. (or lack thereof).



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (38932)8/11/2005 7:30:35 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
>> ...perverting the Sabbath to Sunday when it did used to be Saturday. That's not a Jewish tradition. That goes all the way back to creation. But I am not ready to convert! <<

the true Church of Christ, the Orthodox Catholic Church, does not refer to sunday as the "christian sabbath". the fathers of the Church refer to sunday as the Lord's day, while maintaining that the seventh day--saturday--is called the sabbath.

these same Church fathers who have no problem calling the seventh day the sabbath, in no uncertain terms, in accordance with tradition and with the binding Church councils, explicitly forbid Christians from observing the sabbath in a carnal fashion as do the jews.

SDA's don't just want saturday to be called the sabbath, they want to judaize and impose saturday worship and rest in a carnal manner on their followers. they seek to forbid Christians from gathering on the Lord's day to worship as the Church instructs.

this is total nonsense and preaching of antichrist, who will impose carnal sabbath observance.

the scriptures are clear...

the Church and her disciples gathered on the first day of the week.

Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. --John 20:19

the Holy Spirit descended in cloven tongues of fire and sat upon the apostles on sunday--the Lord's day.

And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. --Acts 2:1-3

the holy apostle Peter gave a rousing sermon that saved 3,000 souls on the Lord's day (Pentecost). nowhere in acts chapter two does it say it was the first day of the week or the Lord's day. so how do we know that pentecost was on a sunday, the first day of the week? pentecost always comes after seven weeks of sabbaths, or 49 days. the following day (i.e. the 50th) had to be a sunday if it followed the sabbath.

once again we see the disciples breaking bread on the first day of the week...and St. Paul preaching on that day...

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. --Acts 20:7

so many of the important events in the early Church, from our Savior's resurrection (the reason the Church worships on the Lord's day), to pentecost, to St. Peters sermon, to the breaking of bread and Christ coming to stand in the midst holy apostles, breathing on them and telling them to receive the Holy Ghost--all these took place on the Lord's day, that day that the seventh day adventist preachers of antichrist say is the mark of the beast! (or some other nonsense).

i bid you, give no heed to these false apostles!



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (38932)8/11/2005 7:43:57 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. --Genesis 2:2

seventh day adventist preachers of antichrist fail to grasp the simple concept that God rested one time on the seventh day after his creative works. nowhere is it stated or implied that God rested the following week, and the one after that, or the week following that. this is what seventh day adventist preachers of antichrist want you to assume.

this rest after the six days of creation was a type of that eternal rest--the sabbath rest we are to enjoy at the end of creation (see the parallel?) when Christ returns.

Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, --1 Thessalonians

we are to rest when Christ returns with all his mighty angels. this was typified by the rest on the seventh day.

ST. IRENAEUS (c. 175-185 A.D.)

AGAINST HERESIES, BOOK V

[He gives this] as a summing up of the whole of that apostasy which has taken place during six thousand years. 3. For in as many days as this world was made, in so many thousand years shall it be concluded. And for this reason the Scripture says: "Thus the heaven and the earth were finished, and all their adornment. And God brought to a conclusion upon the sixth day the works that He had made; and God rested upon the seventh day from all His works."(6) This is an account of the things formerly created, as also it is a prophecy of what is to come. For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years;(7) and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year.



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (38932)8/11/2005 7:57:31 PM
From: Cyprian  Respond to of 39621
 
hey sidney, i bet the seventh day adventist preachers of lies tell you that God commanded the jews to abstain from labor on the seventh day in the ten commandments, and these ten commandments are now binding on all people, so God commanded all people to rest on the seventh day. (of the week)

i bet these preachers of lies and calumnies have never pointed out to you that God commanded people to work on the sabbath as well.

read Joshua chapter six very carefully.

Joshua six:

2. And the Lord said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour.
3. And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.
4. And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.
5. And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.
15. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.
16. And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the Lord hath given you the city.

not just the priests, but the men of war as well, were to compass the city six days once, but on the seventh day seven times and then give a shout so the walls of Jericho could come a tumblin' down.

now think about this, sidney. is it possible to compass the city seven days in a row without one of those days falling on the sabbath? it is not. no matter what day they started one of those days would fall on the sabbath when they were commanded to march around the city seven days in a row.

Cyprian



To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (38932)8/11/2005 8:03:23 PM
From: Cyprian  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 39621
 
those wicked and lying preachers of antichrist, the seventh day adventist cultists, will tell you that they are only trying to imitate the Lord by gathering on saturdays like Christ did. they will probably cite this verse to support their devious and wicked argument...

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. --Luke 4:16

so SDA cultists think they are imitating the Lord by gathering on the sabbath day rather than the Lord's day.

but what did the Lord of the sabbath say?

And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. --John 5:16-17

Christ said his Father worked up until that time, and he works as well!

so if these judaizing hypocrites want to imitate Christ they should work as he and his Father does. perhaps if they are so incessant on imitating the Lord they should fast for 40 days without food and water like the Lord Jesus did!

evil SDA apostles of antichrist, anathema!