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To: SteveinTX who wrote (25087)7/22/2005 11:37:53 AM
From: Bucky Katt  Respond to of 48462
 
Remember James Bond (007) and his license to kill? Seriously, after the 7-7 London bombings, they issued the police shoot to kill orders. They can't afford to play paddy-cake anymore.
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ARMED police officers will be given more aggressive shoot-to-kill orders, telling them to fire at the heads of suicide bombers, it emerged yesterday.

Under a plan known as Operation Kratos, armed Met officers could in extreme circumstances be ordered to shoot suspected suicide bombers in the head.

Details of the potential new Metropolitan Police tactics meant to stop suicide bombers emerged yesterday as the government began to outline the proposals in Tony Blair's tougher stance on deporting Muslim preachers who support terrorism.

Normal firearms rules mean officers fire at the chests of targets, with the intention of stopping and incapacitating, but not directly aiming to kill.

But the Met has been advised by Israeli security officials that this is not adequate, since even after several shots they can still be capable of triggering an explosive device.



To: SteveinTX who wrote (25087)7/23/2005 7:09:50 PM
From: SteveinTX  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 48462
 
I was afraid this would happen:

"We are now satisfied that he was not connected with the incidents of Thursday 21st July 2005," police said on Saturday.

Again, intelligent people should not go out of their way to annoy policemen who are already in a highly agitated state of mind.

This is a tragedy for all.



To: SteveinTX who wrote (25087)7/29/2005 8:58:07 AM
From: Bucky Katt  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 48462
 
The rest of that story is that guy shot in London was there on an expired visa that also had stamps inside of it forged...
That probably explains why he ran..
Not so innocent?

UK: Brazilian gun victim on forged papers

LONDON, July 29 (UPI) -- The innocent Brazilian man shot to death by police on suspicion of being a suicide bomber was in Britain on forged documents, the Home Office said.

Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot eight times by plainclothes officers at Stockwell underground station last week. He had been followed after emerging from an apartment block linked to the July 21 bomb attempts by an address found in one of the rucksacks used. Challenged by officers as he entered the station, he reportedly jumped the ticket barrier and ran onto a waiting train, where he was pinned to the floor and shot.

His family denied initial reports suggesting his visa had expired, and said he would not have run when challenged.

However, the Home Office confirmed Thursday night de Menezes' student visa expired more than two years ago.

In a carefully worded statement, officials suggested the residency stamp in his passport was not genuine.

"We have seen a copy of Mr. de Menezes's passport containing a stamp apparently giving him indefinite leave to remain in the U.K.," a spokesman said.

"On investigation, this stamp was not one that was in use by the Immigration and Nationality Directorate on the date given."


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Some TASR update>

Use of Taser on bomber 'incredible risk'

LONDON, July 29 (UPI) -- British police chief Sir Ian Blair has criticized the use of a Taser in the arrest of July 21 bomb suspect Yassin Hassan Omar.

"It's an incredible risk to use a taser on a suicide bomber," he said on a special BBC program, "Questions of Security," Thursday night.

The Metropolitan Police commissioner said such action was not "policy" but the officers may have made sure there was no bomb present.

"The Taser itself could have set it off," he said.

He defended the killing of innocent Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes last week by officers who mistook him for a suicide bomber, saying in such a situation shooting to kill was the only option.

"Despite everything that's been said here, there is only one way to stop someone who is a suicide bomber, which is to kill that person," Sir Ian said.

West Midlands Police, who apprehended Omar in Birmingham Wednesday, issued a statement saying each situation was unique.

"The information and intelligence would have been different, the threat levels to officers and the public was different."

Both incidents were subject to inquiry by the Independent Police Complaints Commission, they said.



To: SteveinTX who wrote (25087)8/16/2005 8:36:09 PM
From: Bucky Katt  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 48462
 
Update on that story, and it looks like he did nothing wrong, other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
This is really bad>
itv.com

Mistakes led to tube shooting
11.05PM, Tue Aug 16 2005

ITV News has obtained secret documents and photographs that detail why police shot Jean Charles De Menezes dead on the tube.

The Brazilian electrician was killed on 22 July, the day after the series of failed bombings on the tube and bus network.

The crucial mistake that ultimately led to his death was made at 9.30am when Jean Charles left his flat in Scotia Road, South London.

Surveillance officers wrongly believed he could have been Hussain Osman, one of the prime suspects, or another terrorist suspect.

By 10am that morning, elite firearms officers were provided with what they describe as "positive identification" and shot De Menezes eight times in the head and upper body.

The documents and photographs confirm that Jean Charles was not carrying any bags, and was wearing a denim jacket, not a bulky winter coat, as had previously been claimed.

He was behaving normally, and did not vault the barriers, even stopping to pick up a free newspaper.

He started running when we saw a tube at the platform. Police had agreed they would shoot a suspect if he ran.

A document describes CCTV footage, which shows Mr de Menezes entered Stockwell station at a "normal walking pace" and descended slowly on an escalator.

The document said: "At some point near the bottom he is seen to run across the concourse and enter the carriage before sitting in an available seat.

"Almost simultaneously armed officers were provided with positive identification."

A member of the surveillance team is quoted in the report. He said: "I heard shouting which included the word `police' and turned to face the male in the denim jacket.

"He immediately stood up and advanced towards me and the CO19 officers. I grabbed the male in the denim jacket by wrapping both my arms around his torso, pinning his arms to his side.

"I then pushed him back on to the seat where he had been previously sitting. I then heard a gun shot very close to my left ear and was dragged away onto the floor of the carriage."

The report also said a post mortem examination showed Mr de Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, but three other bullets missed, with the casings left lying in the tube carriage.

Police have declined to comment while the mistaken killing is still being investigated.