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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: KLP who wrote (37544)7/22/2005 1:36:22 PM
From: JBTFD  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
What a crock of lies.

You're a hate monger.



To: KLP who wrote (37544)7/22/2005 4:42:18 PM
From: American Spirit  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 93284
 
Let me explain how and why you're so-so wrong and dishonest.

first, do you have any liberal friends? Bet you dont. Bet you live in an isolated conservative world where you don't even know any liberals.

If you knew liberals personally and explored their thinking you'd realize that their views are much closer to Jesus Christ's than the rightwing's are.

After all, both Christ and Lennon said it's about LOVE, LOVE, LOVE. Peace, happiness, freedom, equality. These are the main things people from the post 60's liberal movement care about.

In this context they also love their country. They just don't love the mega-corporate military-industrial polluter part of our country. And they have a good point. Look at what those forces have gotten us into in Iraq.

Nobody likes abortions, but abortions are sometimes necessary when due to a lack of sex education and/or birth control or RU-486, an unwanted pregnancy somehow goes on for too long. At that point it is a very painful and personal decision for the woman and no one else. Republican women get abortions too, but no woman gets an abortion without a lot of soul-searching.

If you were right about them "hating" so much then they'd be out on the streets throwing rocks and threatening officials, like the dishonest "Free Terri" types were doing. But the left-wing liberal movement is quite peaceful. But they do care very deeply about freedom, peace, the environment and brotherhood amongst men. Those who are gay also care about gay rights, but we now know many rightwingers are (closeted usually) gays too.

Plame did not out herself. Quit lying. The CIA would never have insisted on the investigation if she had outed her. Rove and/or Libby did it. And you know it.

Nobody clapped when Saddam killed people. That's an insane remark. However the Reagan administration did not make a peep when Saddam gassed the Kurds in the 80's. The Reaganites, including point man Rumsfield, also extended Saddam a 500 million credit line for purchasing arms.

So maybe you're rooting for the wrong side.



To: KLP who wrote (37544)7/22/2005 5:48:22 PM
From: American Spirit  Respond to of 93284
 
Ex-CIA Officers Rip Bush Over Rove Leak By DONNA DE LA CRUZ, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 21 minutes ago

(* You see, it's Bush who's screwed up as commander in chief)

WASHINGTON - Former U.S. intelligence officers criticized President Bush on Friday for not disciplining Karl Rove in connection with the leak of the name of a CIA officer, saying Bush's lack of action has jeopardized national security.

In a hearing held by Senate and House Democrats examining the implications of exposing Valerie Plame's identity, the former intelligence officers said Bush's silence has hampered efforts to recruit informants to help the United States fight the war on terror. Federal law forbids government officials from revealing the identity of an undercover intelligence officer.

"I wouldn't be here this morning if President Bush had done the one thing required of him as commander in chief — protect and defend the Constitution," said Larry Johnson, a former CIA analyst. "The minute that Valerie Plame's identity was outed, he should have delivered a strict and strong message to his employees."

Rove, Bush's deputy chief of staff, told Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper in a 2003 phone call that former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson's wife worked for the CIA on weapons of mass destruction issues, according to an account by Cooper in the magazine. Rove has not disputed that he told Cooper that Wilson's wife worked for the agency, but has said through his lawyer that he did not mention her by name.

In July 2003, Robert Novak, citing unnamed administration officials, identified Plame by name in his syndicated column and wrote that she worked for the CIA. The column has led to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover identity. New York Times reporter Judith Miller — who never wrote a story about Plame — has been jailed for refusing to testify.

Patrick Lang, a retired Army colonel and defense intelligence officer, said Bush's silence sends a bad signal to foreigners who might be thinking of cooperating with the U.S. on intelligence matters.

"This says to them that if you decide to cooperate, someone will give you up, so you don't do it," Lang said. "They are not going to trust you in any way."

Johnson, who said he is a registered Republican, said he wished a GOP lawmaker would have the courage to stand up and "call the ugly dog the ugly dog."

"Where are these men and women with any integrity to speak out against this?" Johnson asked. "I expect better behavior out of Republicans."



To: KLP who wrote (37544)7/22/2005 6:09:45 PM
From: Peter Dierks  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 93284
 
If the people on SI are a accurate sampling of the left, it appears that you are correct. The left here is spiteful, partisan, and often hateful. There are always exceptions. There are some on the left that I admire and respect.

The left is not obviously cheering the loss of life. They are shedding crocodile tears for the brave servicemen.