To: geode00 who wrote (167157 ) 7/25/2005 6:44:38 PM From: one_less Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500 "You aren't fighting for liberty because you don't even know what it is. " Here is what I think it is, perhaps you can show me where I am in error... Liberty is a beautifully descriptive term which literally grants a condition without restraint. How could any serious person suggest that in a world of over seven billion persons every single one of them could just fly out into the world without any limitations on their conduct. Obviously, on the surface, the term appears impractical in operation. Keep in mind that the verbiage and resounding principles that drove the tremendous energy allowing us to establish a free nation was not based on drunken prose, that came off the top of the heads of Jefferson et al. 'Liberty' is a very noble term. It's application, likewise, only becomes authentic when applied via the noble human condition. Noble human beings don't run about willy nilly taking for themselves without consideration to the consequences to others. Noble human beings, by nature, regard the well being of other persons and other creatures in all endeavors. At the core of noble teachings whether civil wisdom, abstract philosophy, or religious principal is some common agreement. Noble human beings grant one another personal autonomy while encouraging peaceful coexistence among individuals and groups. A noble individual is at liberty to pursue such a life. A corrupt individual perverts the term 'liberty' to further an abusive course."Oh baloney with the noble destiny. That's pure hyperventilating claptrap." Ah, I think I see wachyer problem is here ... pretty obvious to everyone actually.