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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (64596)	7/26/2005 10:23:33 PM
From: Dan B.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

It's good of you to get philosophical, IMO, offering questions like "did god create god." On the other hand (and without addressing your question which is fairly common fare, if always essentially relevant though unanswerable, IMO), I'm not particularly sorry for having referenced, after a fashion, an ethereal spirit being as a "thing." I think it's ok, and certainly didn't intend to mislead anyone. I'd rather call Satan a "thing" than call a human being one. Who created god but perhaps a higher god, and who created that higher god but a still higher god? I see no time when we'll be able to answer for such logical dilemmas as this. It may be instructive in some way, even without having a reasonable end solution. Dan B.

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (64596)	7/27/2005 7:45:24 AM
From: lorne	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 81568

orca. You said...."Satan's not included in the creations mentioned in Genesis.".... Some more tales from the past. Garden of Eden: Temptation is Satan's invitation to give in to his kind of life and give up on God's kind of life. Read Genesis 3:1-6. __________________________________ In art and literature, Satan has been depicted in numerous ways throughout history. According to one interpretation of the book of Genesis, Satan is identified as the serpent who convinced Eve to eat the forbidden fruit; thus, Satan has often been depicted as a serpent. This interpretation goes back at least as far as the time of the writing of the book of Revelation, which specifically identifies Satan as being the serpent (Rev. 20:2). In truth, Genesis makes no direct reference to the serpent having another identity, Satan or any other. It has been postulated by many Biblical scholars that Eden's snake is just a snake, able to speak, reason, and tempt Eve because it serves the explanatory purpose. en.wikipedia.org __________________________________________ Genesis 3:4,5 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil." bbie.org ____________________________________ GENESIS 3:1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?" 2 And the woman said to the serpent, "We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.' " 4 Then the serpent said to the woman, "You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." 6 So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. (NKJV) users.aristotle.net __________________________________________ In Genesis 3 the first passage says: Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. Had Satan rebelled before this point? We know that he had not rebelled prior to Genesis 1:31 so why does God describe him as a serpent? The answer can be found back in Ezekiel 28:16: ...and you sinned; Therefore I cast you as a profane thing... Revelation 12:9...that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world;... We are presented with a picture of a serpent. If Genesis 3 presented him as 'The Angel Lucifer' we might get the wrong idea of what took place. At this point in Genesis a guardian cherub (maybe in the form of a serpent) was purposely deceiving Eve. Satan knew what he was doing and God gives us a clear picture of what Lucifer had become in that moment. He is presented by God as a profane thing "the serpent". direct.ca