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To: Oblomov who wrote (37134)	7/28/2005 1:47:47 AM
From: shades	Respond to of 110194

I agree there are many things that can be done for education and I am sure there are many that went through the system that would like to see things different. I remember reading how most in europe thought the US were fools to give "everyone" a high school level education. "Whether the immigrant stock is sufficiently specialized or not, I believe that anyone who is willing to take risks, learn, and work hard is trainable." I have to take issue with this from what I am seeing in the palm beach area. That is not what I am seeing happening, as we cater more to the secondary culture they have less and less incentive to mesh with the dominant culture - this creates a rift and as you know divided we fall. I have read where us officials are trying to work with third world mexican and south american officials to set up some kind of schools over there to educate them to certain levels before they are allowed here - I am all for it - I am for growth and progress - but dumping a lot of people not socialized or educated onto the current citizenry just creates for chaos and confusion. The way they are being brought into the country now seems very inefficient and hurtful to me. As has been posted instead of increasing visas to the very smart immigrants, we are limiting them - so silly. This from a similar vien to the paul krugman folks on his board: I have been arguing with the ayn rand types for years in new york city that yes indeed we need more population, we need less career woman choosing to reject their natural gift of child production in favor of other interests - that we needed population sustainability - but they all just called me a male pig - haha. That we needed population from the already established here - who were already at high education levels and culturally meshed - we needed them having more children. Instead it seems now we get to import a much less qualified parent to bring up the new generations than the ayn rand type in new york city. Instead of a college or highschool level bringing up the new kids - we get migrants who dont even have elementary level education - abuse and violence is higher in these homes - skills of science and reasoning and math and logical thought is not as easily passed to the children in these homes - but they sure can learn how to farm some crops!! First they must mesh to the new culture, that burns through one generation right there, then they must come up to higher education levels - that burns through another generation!! There is another cure for oversupply in housing, reduce the supply is also another solution besides increasing the demand. Maybe a few hurricanes in florida will help that state - hehe. Opening the borders to just any ole latino's wide open as you suggest is not in the interests of america I fear. I visit with friends in palm beach florida, the towns next to it, lake worth, west plam beach, once known for thier awesome landscaping and beautiful architecture and cleanliness and well rounded educated cultured citizens - have fallen into serious disrepair since the floodgates of uneducated third worlders were let in. The pier in lake worth is in shambles, the roads dirty and the landscaping not maintained, it seems poorer uneducated latinos do not keep the maintenance of the city in the areas they influxed to the same levels as the educated rich they replaced. The children of these thirdworlders form gangs that shoot and rob and murder to have fun - something the denizens children of palm beach 30 years ago did not do before the latino influx. Services in the city are a nightmare, its hard enough getting things done with uneducated non adapting third worlders to begin with, but then when there is language barriers it is even more difficult - more population and more houses are not the answer - already I go into homes and turn on the faucet and a cup of sand and mud is pumped into my glass before water starts flowing - yet you would tell me to bring MORE people into this area. An illegal cuban who just came to the area told me he wishes jeb bush would stop all these damn illegal haitians from coming in - they are ruining the city - HAHA - what a hyprocrite. AN illegal haitian last week told me he wishes jeb bush would stop any more haitians from coming in - HAHA - its so funny to me. I think you should read emma's post about Jared Diamond and cultural sustainability before you suggest increasing population levels are the only solution - for that is incorrect I feel for that particular city. In the past when america was agricultural we needed a lot of uneducated farmers coming over to work the land, that was good, and when we were building our war machine we needed a lot of educated europeans coming over perhaps too so that we could build bombs and businesses. Now that the future is about science and technology how does influxing a lot of uneducated citizens that will take several generations to bring up to snuff and for probably 20-40 years will set back the cities they dominate help? Assuming the resources are even enough for the current population - which when sand comes out of my faucet and the roads have become death suicide missions I feel they are not enough. Personally I feel if lake worth and west palm beach had not allowed all the uneducated unskilled third worlders in at the levels they did the city would still be beautiful, the crime low, the people happy and not stressed and the standard of life for everyone there much higher than what it has descended into. If the new population could have come from the already established, we would not be returning to the starting line to keep the race going - but it seems that is the way of humanity, the educated rich have less children when they should have more, and the uneducated poor have more children when they should have less. Nationally I do not know, but I do know the roads and city government in this area of florida is so strained and all the people are so stressed - more people is not the solution to this one particular bubble market - already influxing population has caused loan standards to become a total joke but for the banks to remain competetive they must take on more and more risky clients. Certainly I think jeb bush and george bush keep the floodgates open though because up in their ivory towers they don't have to sweat the middle class nightmares affecting all this unrestrained influx. Letting in tons of uneducated thugs may keep the houses full - but setanta - would you rather live in alcatraz prison where all the cells are full or would you rather live at camp cupcake where only you and martha stewart were staying if you had the choice??