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To: Sully- who wrote (12692)7/28/2005 8:18:54 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
These soldiers say 'Over There' is 'bogus'

By M.L. LYKE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

A truck tire hits a flagged wire, a roadside bomb explodes, a handsome private with shredded leg screams in agony. In the bloody chaos of the moment, his soldier buddies panic. One pukes.

Stop the cameras! Sir!

"People don't act like that when an i.e.d. (improvised explosive device) goes off. They make us look like idiots. We're not idiots!" said a first lieutenant previewing "Over There," the new TV series from Steven Bochco ("NYPD Blue," "Hill Street Blues") that debuts tomorrow night on FX cable network. It's set in Iraq, hyped as "true to life" by producers and hailed by critics as "unflinching" and "gut-wrenching."

"Bogus" was the preferred adjective among the eight soldiers -- most of them Iraq vets -- viewing the series pilot last week at Camp Murray, headquarters of the Washington State National Guard in Tacoma.

"Thank God that's over," said a master sergeant as the credits rolled.

The uniformed skeptics dissected the series pilot scene by scene, beginning with the roadside bombing and panicked soldiers. Who, they asked, was pulling security? And what kind of idiot pulls off his helmet after a bombing attack? "In real life, training takes over. Not in Hollywood," said Sgt. Dan Purcell.

The flags on the trip wires got an "F": roadside bombs in Iraq are typically hidden in watermelons, hay stacks, animal carcasses -- not marked for easy viewing. "A flag to mark an i.e.d.? What is that -- like don't land here?"

Truck drivers also got eight thumbs down. "You do not, under any circumstances, pull off on the side of the road. You stop in the middle."

The TV series, filmed in California, follows an Army infantry squad, flashing between soldiers' experiences in-country and the impact of their deployment back home in the States. It's billled as the first war drama built around a U.S. military conflict still in progress, a war with death tolls mounting daily.

Bochco, who co-created the series with Chris Gerolmo ("Mississippi Burning"), has stated in interviews that the show is apolitical. "Ultimately, a young man being shot at in a firefight has absolutely no interest in politics," he told Reuters news service.

But some camo-clad critics at Camp Murray were left wondering just what the message was in "Over There." One said a young soldier who brags about slitting the throat of a child sentry "makes us look like murderers."

Master Sgt. Jeff Clayton complained that cameras deliberately dragged out the death scenes of Iraqi insurgents after a firefight, lingering unnecessarily on the carnage. "It made me sick."

And where, soldiers asked, were the scenes of soldiers building schools, Iraqi kids waving American flags?

The fast-paced premiere is packed with sex, drugs, rock 'n' roll; cool explosions and close-up gore; cussing and wrought emotion. It opens with the soldiers' goodbyes to family and a nervous flight to Iraq. In an instant -- "Yeah, right" -- the new dudes are belly-down in sand in front of a mosque full of insurgents, with two women accidentally trapped in the trenches, one with a big attitude and little common sense.

"I can do it myself!" she yells at a soldier who tries to help her dig a trench. "You deaf soldier?" It's night, she's totally exposed to enemy fire and, when it starts, it's boy-soldier who has to push her head down to save her.

No wonder the men keep asking, "What do we do about the women?"

"I did not like the way the show presents men's opinion of women -- they act like the women were some other species," said Lt. Connie Woodyard, who returned from Iraq earlier this year. "We're not cowards. Women in Iraq are doing amazing things."

The Camp Murray soldiers dismissed the military firefights as "bull---- " ("Where is the air support? Where is the armor support?"), the dialogue as contrived ("It sucked") and plot drivers as pure Hollywood.

In the script, characters are thrown together for the first time. They constantly ask each other to explain nicknames. In real life, soldiers are sent to Iraq in units. "They don't have to ask each other's nicknames. They all know each other."

After one week in-country, the soldier-actors mull life and death and war in eloquent speeches home to loved ones, talking about how war unmasks the monster within. "Nobody is that reflective after one week in-country. It's more like, "Ohmigod, we're in Iraq. Hi. What the hell am I doing here?"

A few scenes passed muster. Heads nodded when a soldier opened up a packet of Taster's Choice freeze-dried and downed the whole thing. Nice detail. Ditto the scene of the earnest soldier describing the horrors of war via computer video e-mail as his adulterous wife is writhing in ecstasy with lover-boy back home.

"But after only a week?" commented one soldier.

"It usually takes at least two," added another.

One scene hit home for the tough audience: an intimate close-up of two African American soldiers talking band-of-brother bonds. Says one: "If you're looking for another fool to risk getting shot to cover your fool behind, I'm right here beside you."

Correct! Sir!

Only one of the camo-clad critics, Sgt. John Figueroa, who is awaiting call-up orders to Afghanistan, said he'd watch it.

"Hey, I'm into Hollywood," he said, shrugging.

P-I reporter M.L. Lyke can be reached at 206-448-8344 or m.l.lyke@seattlepi.com.

seattlepi.nwsource.com



To: Sully- who wrote (12692)8/1/2005 4:24:41 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Reality Of Being 'Over There' without a Clue

Posted by Greyhawk
Mudville Gazette

Can you count on reporters to provide the unvarnished truth about Iraq? Are they familiar with the troops that are so often the subject of their reports? Or do they subscribe to some pre-conceived, deeply ingrained prejudice about the situation? I think this offers insight.

The Los Angeles Times polled it's staffers who have covered the U.S. military in Iraq for their opinions of the TV show "Over There". In response to the question "Do the characters seem real?" Five out of six said "yes".

We rounded up MilBlog response to the program here.

mudvillegazette.com

The main complaint from those reviews was that the characters are simple-minded cliches - caricatures of real people. "Dope-smoking Black Guy" "Screaming Sarge" "Stupid Loo-tenant" "College Boy" "Ignorant Patriotic Texan" etc etc.

I suppose, as with every aspect of the war on terror, the reporters and the actual participants have different points of view. Draw your own conclusions.

mudvillegazette.com



To: Sully- who wrote (12692)8/11/2005 10:43:00 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Bochco’s Botched and Biased 'Over There'

Michael Fumento
townhall.com
August 11, 2005

“Peace at any price” purveyors are going gaga over the new FX Channel series “depicting” the Iraq war, "Over There," produced by Steven Bochco of Hill Street Blues fame. "Wow! Anybody else watch Over There last night?" gushed a writer for the heavily-read antiwar blogsite, Daily Kos. "Within a few minutes . . . it was obvious that Iraq was Vietnam all over again.”

How a fictional show shot in La La Land could make anything about Iraq policy “obvious” is hard to fathom. But the series does tout its realism, as have some reviewers who’ve never gotten closer to Iraq than filling their gas tanks. Further, Bochco claims it’s politically neutral. Unfortunately, “Over There” puts reality in a body bag and is as unbiased as if scripted by a guy named Allen Queda.

If “Over There” has a true military advisor, he deserves the firing squad. In the first episode a squad is pinned down while besieging a terrorist-filled mosque. The unit remains for about 36 hours with no air support, because “Air is dedicated to another area.” Never mind that planes or choppers are always available within minutes. They request artillery, again to no avail. There’s no armor.

In order to include women, two females from a transportation unit just happen to join the siege. In fact, they just happen to tag along for the rest of the series! Reality is sacrificed to the God of Diversity. Why didn’t Bochco also include a Klingon?

Towards the end of the show a troop transport pulls off to the side of the road, an idiot thing to do since that’s where improvised explosive devices are almost always buried. Naturally they roll over a powerful IED, even though the bombers have kindly marked it with little white flags. A horribly wounded soldier is then evacuated in a type of chopper not used in Iraq.

Clearly this is a military that can’t even tie its bootlaces and in the immortal words of Pogo: We have met the enemy and he is us.

The terrorists are downright chummy compared to U.S. commanders. The besieging squad repeatedly suffers because of the idiotic orders of a general 75 miles away. Another off-site officer orders the troops to move forward from a relatively safe ridgeline to a completely open area. In another scene, a GI declares he’d rather risk being blown to bits than tell a sergeant he’s wrong.

Particularly appalling to me was a slam against Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD). It simply fails to show up to disarm a vehicle packed with enough explosives to blow up Rhode Island. I was embedded with the EOD unit of the 8th Engineer Support Battalion at Camp Fallujah. They react to calls with the speed of firefighters (or Domino’s pizza) and coolly and professionally carry out some of the most dangerous jobs of the war.

The GIs ARE depicted as both brave and dedicated, as they must be in order to be proper pawns. Conversely they’re also hot-headed; they constantly bark at each other like obnoxious poodles and there’s a knife fight by the second episode. Do the soldiers beat and torture prisoners? Do you have to ask?

Meanwhile the terrorists, who in reality favor “soft” civilian targets, are braver and tougher still. They make the Viet Cong look like pansies. One literally has his torso blown off and yet his legs incredibly keep marching forward. A metaphor, perhaps, for the invincibility of the terrorist Jihad?

As for American policy, that’s depicted in a dream sequence in which a captured GI is given a litany of reasons for why we’re over there such as wanting to steal Iraqi oil, and then asked, “Your masters are liars and thieves, and yet you obey them. Why?” He doesn’t deny it, rather providing the pawn answer of “Because I’m a soldier!”

There have got to be a thousand true inspiring stories of courage and kindness by coalition troops during the war, but don't expect to see them on “Over There.” The wealthy Mr. Bochco certainly had the resources to tour Iraq before slandering our military and turning FX into the Al Jazeera Channel. But he didn’t. Perhaps he was afraid of seeing what the real truth is over there.

Michael Fumento (mfumento-at-pobox.com) is a former paratrooper who was embedded with the 2nd Marine Expeditionary Force over there in Iraq. He is also a senior fellow at Hudson Institute.

©2005 Michael Fumento

townhall.com