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To: tsigprofit who wrote (18405)	7/28/2005 6:45:46 AM
From: jttmab	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

We're not talking about US Muslims in Detroit. And why Detroit? What's the difference? You were working on the premise that you didn't know who leveled the attack against the US. Israel might be interested in destroying the Muslim countries; even better have the US do it. You would respond by attacking ME Holy Sights. ... As if human beings weren't living there. Are you retaliating because the cities/building in the US were destroyed or are you retaliating because human beings occupy those cities/buildings? Morally, it makes no difference which innocent people you kill. And you don't seem to think that the Russians or other countries in the region would mind the nuclear fallout over their countries. I suppose we call that collateral damage and shrug it off. You also missed Pakistan. You imagine such a policy is a deterrent. Once that deterrent is gone, what are you left with for a deterrent? jttmab

To: tsigprofit who wrote (18405)	7/28/2005 11:46:44 AM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

Got this from another thread regarding nuking Mecca. Moslems believe Allah is protecting them. Moslems believe Islam's simplistic world view. The destruction of the Kabah, and the mosques in Mecca and Medina will end Islam as such. Since the rock is from heaven and the zoum zoum water cannot be depleted, since the city needs to be available for the Haj, this will show these miserable savages that the rocks they are praying to are just that. Smash their idols and temples and they will have to consider they have been praying to the wrong god. The religion falls apart if Allah allows Mecca and Medina and their holy symbols to be destroyed. It will be unexplainable to the "faithful" and will suggest serious deficiencies in the religion. Perhaps it will humanize Moslems to think they must moderate their behavior as they have been punished. Allah punishes evil doers. The issues is not whether we nuke them, if they nuke us. The issue is if we have had sufficient provocation to destroy Mecca and Medina currently. It is not necessary to kill the inhabitants. I am not a psychiatrist but destruction of the symbols will cause cognitive dissonace. The contradiction to their world view of Moslems will be overwhelming. Dissonace arrousal can lead to extinction of the offending behavior. The question as I see it, is when the West will decide it has been sufficiently provoked to destroy the symbols of the attacking savages and to obliterate their symbols and invoke this potential therapy. The Crusaders made the wrong strategic and tactical choice when they retook Jerusalem by attacking it. They would have succeeded better if they had obliterated Mecca and Medina. The Crusaders failed to realize the tactical significance of such a strike. For the Crusades to succeed, the Crusaders needed to obliterate Mecca and Medina. The West is fighting an ancient war against a warlike ancient people. When their idols are smashed, they will be forced to consider that they have been praying to the wrong god.