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To: Kip518 who wrote (167557)	8/1/2005 12:07:18 AM
From: Bilow	Respond to of 281500

Hi Kip518; Re: "Here’s the very bad news: the Democrats will almost certainly lose in 2006 and again in 2008. Three essential reasons: (a) the GOP and the Bush junta simply cannot afford to lose, (b) they can prevent their defeat no matter what the voters have to say about it (as they have in the last three elections), and (c) apparently the Democratic Party, the media, and law enforcement are unable and/or unwilling to do anything about it." It is only in their imaginations that the Democrats are the majority party in the US, robbed of their place in victory by vote stealing. As long as they keep feeding themselves stories along this line, they will be unable to make the changes to their party that are necessary if they are to win elections. I'm really surprised that this is still going on so late in the game. I thought the left was still betting on Rove to get Bush impeached. Or maybe that was last month. Still, I would think that by now, this long after being beaten by the lousiest President this country has had in many decades, it would have occurred to SOMEONE in the Democratic party that the American public really isn't all that in favor of abortion, taxes and new laws against working men. Carl

To: Kip518 who wrote (167557)	8/1/2005 10:48:51 AM
From: Dennis O'Bell	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Evidence is abundant and compelling that the presidential election of 2004 and key congressional races in 2002 were stolen Oh please ! Those races were lost because the Democrats couldn't strategize their way out of a paper bag. Voter fraud while it exists (and always has) didn't play any decisive role. And Shrub was elected the first time because the election was so close that a goofball like Nader was able to drain votes away (much as Perot had from Republicans in a previous election.) As long as you've still got enough hoseheads in the Red States who are more afraid of Gay Marriages somewhere like San Francisco than they are of our country's extremely dangerous just in time dependence on mideast oil, or who think The Great Cause facing America is overturning Roe vs Wade instead of our national debt and the very real risk of a currency rout on the dollar, yes the Republicans can get re elected. Similarly for the morons who think a blowjob in the oval office is a far greater crime than sending our men to uselessly die in an Iraq "insurgency" on false pretexts, when a more effective realpolitik form of diplomacy would have been to leave Saddam in place to control that country for us at far lesser cost. I could go on and on about the stupidity of the public that voted for Bush, but as Adlai Stevenson has said, "In America anyone can get elected president, that's one of the risks you take".