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To: RetiredNow who wrote (244163)	7/29/2005 9:39:39 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1575426

Iran's leaders are definitely supporting suicide bombing and terrorism. They are becoming a more serious threat as each day passes. And tejek, you think it is ok for Iran to have nukes? Lord have mercy on us. ............... Ahmadi-Nejad on the Art of Martyrdom The following are excerpts from a speech by Iranian President-Elect Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad, which aired July 25, 2005 on Iranian Channel 1. In it, he praises martyrdom operations and states that Islam will conquer the world. (To view this clip, visit memritv.org Ahmadi-Nejad: "We want art that is on the offensive. Art on the offensive exalts and defends the noble principles, and attacks principles that are corrupt, vulgar, ungodly, and inhuman. "Art reaches perfection when it portrays the best life and best death. After all, art tells you how to live. That is the essence of art. Is there art that is more beautiful, more divine, and more eternal than the art of martyrdom? A nation with martyrdom knows no captivity. Those who wish to undermine this principle undermine the foundations of our independence and national security. They undermine the foundation of our eternity. "The message of the [Islamic] Revolution is global, and is not restricted to a specific place or time. It is a human message, and it will move forward. "Have no doubt... Allah willing, Islam will conquer what? It will conquer all the mountain tops of the world." Spiritual Advisor of Iran's President-Elect Calls on Iranian Volunteers to Carry Out Martyrdom Operations Ayatollah Mohammad Misbah Yazdi, the spiritual leader of Iranian President-Elect Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad, issued an announcement to the Iranian people, calling upon them to volunteer for an Iranian organization of martyrs. [1] The announcement read: "Acts of martyrdom are the great pinnacle of the [Iranian] people and the height of its courage. The commander [Iranian Leader] Khamenei has announced registration for the forces of martyrdom in all of Iran's provinces, in order to defend Islam and to fight the enemies of Islam. Our sacred organization, [the organization of martyrs belonging] to the Islamic Republic, is intended for those interested in carrying out shahada [martyrdom]. The volunteer, male or female, will join specialized courses. Brother and sister believers who want to defend Islam are invited to contact [us] at POB 664-1653, Tehran, and to send two photos, a copy of their birth certificate, and a request to join the martyrs' corps." According to the report, the organization is headed by Elias Naderan, leader of the conservative faction of the Iranian parliament, former intelligence officer in the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, and an ally of President-Elect Ahmadi-Nejad. A few months ago, he founded an organization called Zeitoon, intended for women and men interested in committing martyrdom operations "against the enemies of Iran and Islam" – especially against U.S., British, and Israeli forces. Ayatollah Masbah Yazdi attended one of Naderan's conventions, and emphasized to the hundreds of participants the need to volunteer for the martyrdom operation training courses. One of the volunteers, Mohammad Reza Siyari, who recently fled from Iran to Turkey, told Al-Sharq Al-Awsat that during a visit to Ayatollah Masbah Yazdi's office in Qom, the latter told the volunteers: "The gates of Paradise have opened for you. There are beautiful black-eyed virgins waiting for you on the banks of rivers of honey." Siyari further said that the volunteers undergo training in four Revolutionary Guards and "Army of Jerusalem" camps.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (244163)	7/30/2005 3:09:30 AM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575426

That's not the same thing. I grew up in this country and get plain spitting mad at our leaders sometimes. Like this most recent energy bill which is a free for all for the oil companies. But I would never bomb my own country. True. But your reaction to 9/11 and the London bombings was to nuke Mecca. Muslim reaction to the invasion of Iraq and the killing of Iraqis is to hurt the West. The London bombers were all UK citizens raised in the UK, yet they bombed their own country. There is absolutely no justification for that. The Muslims in the UK are not white and were not baptized in the Church of England. What makes you think they did not experience discrimination growing up? The Latino gangs who cause all the violence and mayhem in LA are not the people emigrating to the US from Mexico and Central America.......they are the sons and daughters of the immigrants and are natural born citizens of the US. The first generation after a wave of immigration often experiences serious discrimination and is forced to maintain a balancing act between the Latino/Muslim culture at home and the Anglo culture they experience outside of the home. They often don't feel the loyalty to their home country that you feel towards the US. Nonetheless, the smartest and most attractive of the bunch usually make it; its the not so smart and not so attractive who start to flag and fall off the track. They are the ones who are fertile ground for gang or suicide bombing recruitment. I am sure its the same with Muslims in the UK. None of this excuses the gang violence in American cities nor the suicide bombings in the UK......it just explains why they are happening.