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To: Stan who wrote (107)	7/30/2005 11:04:41 PM
From: grusum	Respond to of 26251

If that is true, why put up with the sacrifices it takes to improve yourself, IOW why not eat, drink and party till you die? because the endless pursuit of pleasure is ultimately not satisfying in the here and now..

To: Stan who wrote (107)	7/31/2005 8:44:34 AM
From: Rarebird	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 26251

>>Why put up with the sacrifices it takes to improve yourself, IOW why not eat, drink and party till you die?<< Because it is not healthy. The value of an act lies in the act itself. I restrict the use of my intake of food because I want to have a shapely looking body and reduce the risk of a heart attack. If eating is that important to me, then I'll run 10 miles a day to burn off the excess calories. I use to be a marathon runner so I know how that goes. But I'll make sure I eat the right foods too so I don't have a high cholesterol level. I don't smoke because I want to reduce my risk of getting cancer and I like my lungs being smoke free so I can breathe properly. Fresh air is one of my divinities. I love life. I love humans, all humans, except those who are anti-life, like suicide bombers. I rarely if ever drink liquor. Why? Because I get natural highs on life, higher than I can get on liquor without throwing up or damaging my liver. I'm a father, son, husband, brother, philosopher, soldier, friend, businessman, etc, so I make sacrifices all the time for people. Why do I do so? Because a human being should not just be treated as only a means but as an end also (Kant's categorical imperative). And I've done this throughout my whole life not because a person may (or may not) have some divinity above him, below him, or to the right or left of him or even inside him. I've done it because I respect the heart, mind and will power of a person. Here are some examples: I would never treat a person merely as a means for profit if I could not provide a valuable service for them in return. I have never told a woman I loved her when I didn't for the sake of sex. And I lost out on this great pleasure at times because I refused to do so.