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To: Road Walker who wrote (244750)	8/3/2005 9:10:03 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572208

John, re:I'm hearing and reading that there is an incredible amount of violence taking place in Iraq that is "unreported" (sorry, no link). Essentially an underground civil war between the factions. 1000's being killed. My kids best friends father is a private security specialist in Iraq (ex-special forces). He's been in Kirkuk Iraq for about a year now - he comes home often and just returned for a few days this last monday - if I get a chance I'll ask him about that. Last time he was here I didn't ask him about things in any detail - he just said things were a lot quieter than before. Quite for him is probably pretty noisy for us civilians.

To: Road Walker who wrote (244750)	8/4/2005 12:03:18 AM
From: SilentZ	Respond to of 1572208

You're boring all of us... ;) -Z

To: Road Walker who wrote (244750)	8/4/2005 1:59:30 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1572208

I'm hearing and reading that there is an incredible amount of violence taking place in Iraq that is "unreported" (sorry, no link). But your Pollyannish view of Iraq is disgusting. I told you once already that I'm discussing the theoretical idea of bringing democracy to the ME. You are discussing what GB is currently doing in Iraq. They are not the same thing. Why didn't you understand this when I told you last time? The article you linked was an interesting one (I thought) on the affect that reality television has on spreading more liberal view throughout the ME. Saudi women get to see Lebanese women driving or wearing bikinis. A talk show hosts tells a battered wife to leave her husband. The exposure lets people in extremely rigid closed societies see what's possible, and that drives change. Get the subject - possible trends in opening up the ME. My point is that trend will reduce the problem of Al Qaeda terrorism. So why are you going on about GB's actions in Iraq? There are plenty of ways to encourage democracy which don't include military invasions. I'm sorry if this post wasn't "entertaining" or "clever". I don't care about that, but your post is off topic. You are discussing something with yourself.

To: Road Walker who wrote (244750)	8/4/2005 2:39:47 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 1572208

I went back a reread the thread of posts - here is the basic topic: I still say the way to finish the whole thing is to force the Muslim countries to democratize, and then the jihadis will have to take their case for a united Islamic region to their own population at the various nation's ballot boxes. If their own people reject the idea, the recruiters are going to have a much harder time getting new people to join to overthrow their own societies. I think your point is that the current campaign in Iraq is not the best way to encourage democracy in the ME. I can't argue with that. The question for me is how to move forward from the current point to promote democracy in the ME. The question for you, I imagine, is how to get a plane ticket out of the ME and back to the US and leave those people to their own devices.

To: Road Walker who wrote (244750)	8/4/2005 5:09:58 AM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1572208

I agree.......the GOPers have nothing to worry about even though this race was a tight one in a heavily GOP district. I think the American people are solidly behind the GOP and I think the Dems were buttholes to try and undermine GOP confidence by focusing on this ridiculously tight race in a heavily GOP district. ***************************************************** All Political Eyes Again Turn to Ohio** A Republican narrowly wins a congressional race in a heavily GOP district. Heartened Democrats say the result may signal a backlash. By Ronald Brownstein, Times Staff Writer WASHINGTON — An unexpectedly close finish in an Ohio congressional special election reverberated through both parties Wednesday, as each side searched for clues in a race that could foreshadow next year's midterm elections. In Tuesday's vote, Republican Jean Schmidt, a former state lawmaker, held off Democratic lawyer Paul Hackett, a Marine reservist who served in the Iraq war. ADVERTISEMENT They were vying for the House seat vacated by Republican Rob Portman, who was named U.S. trade representative this year by President Bush. Democrats argued that Tuesday's close race — Schmidt defeated Hackett 51.7% to 48.3% in a staunchly Republican district in which Portman routinely won by huge margins — could foreshadow a backlash in 2006 against the GOP congressional majority. "This is a political shockwave," said Bill Burton of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "The fact that even reliably Republican voters could not be counted on … should make every Republican member of Congress feel that they are put on notice." Most Republicans publicly insisted that Democrats were wrong to see signs of a tail wind in the outcome. CONTINUED........... latimes.com