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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Solon who wrote (22147)	8/5/2005 12:22:59 PM
From: Greg or e	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

"Here, out of the blue you make a quote which you later claim is from Nazism." Message 21502266 It was not out of the blue; It came in the context of a discussion about the value of Human life and it was a perfectly legitimate observation that the position you were espousing, namely that "some Humans are better than others" was used by others as justification for killing. I am not the first person to notice the affinity that abortion advocates such as yourself have with the philosophy that produced the Holocaust. In fact the chief philosophical ideas that produced Nazi Germany came from Friedrich Nietzsche; a man you openly admire and have vigorously defended here on this thread. Granted; you deny the connection but denying that 2+2=4 does not negate it. "One of the most enlightening papers I have ever read on the dangers of gradualism in the medical profession was written by Leo Alexander MD, an American Jew, and published in the New England Journal of Medicine in July 1949. He had been chief consultant psychiatrist at the Nuremberg trials. And, even in those early years after the war he noticed the same subtle changes in the American and European medical professions which those studying the horrifying tragedy of the history of the Nazi holocaust had noted there. In his paper he wrote: "Whatever the proportions these crimes finally assumed, it became evident to all who investigated them that they had started from small beginnings. The beginnings at first were merely a subtle shift in emphasis in the basic attitude of the physicians. It started with the acceptance of the attitude basic in the euthanasia movement, that there is such a thing as a life unworthy to be lived. This attitude in its early stages concerned itself with the severely and chronically sick. Gradually the sphere of those to be included in this category was enlarged to encompass the socially unproductive, the ideologically unwanted, the racially unwanted and finally all non-Germans. But it is important to realize that the infinitely small wedged-in lever from which this entire trend of mind received its impetus was the attitude toward the non-rehabilitable sick." He continues: "It is, therefore, this subtle shift in emphasis of the physicians' attitude that one must thoroughly investigate. It is a recent significant trend in medicine, including psychiatry to regard prevention as more important than cure." Historically, Hippocratic medicine had always been concerned primarily with the care of the sick - but Leo Alexander warned that during this century these subtle changes have resulted in doctors regarding the incurable more and more as futile - until we are faced with the frightening scenario of Lord Justice Hoffmann, in the Bland Appeal Court Judgement, saying: "there is no question of his life being worth living or not worth living because the stark reality is that Anthony is not living a life at all." In his paper Leo Alexander wrote: "There is no doubt that in Germany itself the first and most effective step of propaganda within the medical profession was the propaganda barrage against the useless (and) incurably sick..." This ultimately came to mean that the doctor's prime duty was to concentrate his efforts on - I quote - "the mere rehabilitation of the sick for useful labour....." It is rather sad that at the time of the Bland judgement, amongst religious leaders, only the Chief Rabbi's Office had the vision to make a really forthright hard-hitting statement. This declared: "Obviously the removal of nutritious substances which are maintaining life is murder and the patient will die as a direct consequence of not receiving nutrition. The moment you get into the equation of life and say that some lives are of better quality than others, and therefore more entitled to life than others, then you begin to descend into judgements of who is more worthy of life than others."" trushare.com Long read but worthwhile. "You go on to say that I have an affinity for Nazi philosophy, I.E. "A natural attraction, liking, or feeling of kinship."" I think the proof is in the facts. I did not say you were a Nazi, only that your philosophical views about human life were eerily similar to theirs. I stand by that. "You have repeatedly stated outright, or insinuated, that I am a murderer--and part of a death squad. You have intimated that this flows from Nazi sentiments and sympathies." I notice you have no link for this wild assertion. I have shown that Partial birth abortion is the unjustified taking of an innocent Human life which is the legal definition of Murder, and you have defended the practice only by denying the "baby" is actually a Human being. That does not mean I accuse you of being a murderer but it does mean that you advocate others be allowed to murder defenseless babies. Death Squads ah the Death Squads. Since you so often engage in inflammatory rhetoric I thought you might like to see how it feels. The description is actually very apt. Death: "The act of dying; termination of life." Squad: "A small group of people organized in a common endeavor or activity." What activity do abortionists endeavor to accomplish? Why it's the death of innocent Human beings. I think Death Squads is a reasonable and accurate description of a group of people who's activities produce this; prolifetraining.com Warning! This is a link to actual photos of aborted Human beings. (Actually to the warning page) If you are squeamish you should not proceed. If you think they are just clumps of cells then what's the problem?