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To: Rarebird who wrote (148)	8/5/2005 12:28:37 PM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 26251

<Firstly, it assumes that the idea of a perfect being can be formed.> Who is to judge? If the omnipresent god exists {all is god} then of course everything IS perfect all the time. As a matter of fact, no one and nothing can prove otherwise. I agree with you that once you depart from the above, you fall into intellectual circular foreverness. :)) <Secondly, if a premise is true, that does necessarily entail a true conclusion if you want the statement to be viewed as true.> Right... truth is subjective. Speaking about it... making statements, {since language is linear, reality is not} can't possibly ever come close to it. DAK

To: Rarebird who wrote (148)	8/5/2005 12:38:49 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 26251

Any deductive argument assumes certain premises. The premises do not have to be proven for the argument to be valid. Disputing the premises (including assumed premises) doesn't make the argument invalid. It might make the argument less than convincing. I am not as much supporting the argument and its premises as I am disputing your initial categorization of the argument as affirming the consequent (you didn't use those words but you described that form when you talked about the argument), and your later categorization of it as circular, or assuming the conclusion. I'm not trying to argue that the argument represents convincing proof of the existence of a devine being or force, let alone anything like the Christian idea of God. Tim