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To: David Jones who wrote (37080)	8/5/2005 6:50:40 PM
From: Tradelite	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

David, it's not ALL about the wage when it comes to jobs Americans are willing to do. One poster on this board criticized something I said about kids not "stooping" to do certain jobs. Any thinking person would realize that what I was talking about was CAREERS, not jobs during summer vacation from school. I sure didn't send my kids off to college and underwrite that incredibly expensive cumulative 8-year educational foray, just so they could become lawn mowers, shoe-shiners, or burger flippers. In this country, kids go to college if parents can manage to get them there or they have the spunk to get themselves there, and sometimes they become very clever entrepreneurs on their own, without higher education. What they do not usually do is sneak across the border and attempt to latch on to someone else's wagon. We've already seen what has happened to all the kids who followed their parents, aunts and uncles into the textile factories and other old-line manufacturing industries, without developing some skills or acquiring education that would better secure their futures. Many did follow their parents into the factories, because the pay and benefits were good, FOR A WHILE, UNTIL THE FACTORIES DISAPPEARED. Look what chasing high wages did to them and to the towns heavily populated with these displaced factory workers. Wages aren't everything. This country provides many opportunities to those who think learning or some sort of personal challenge is more important than higher pay. Sometimes a college kid can take an unpaid internship on Capitol Hill or with a sports team or in a corporation and gain far more from the experience than a paycheck could ever have provided. I guess the immigrants who sneak across the border hope this will happen to their kids someday. But the inflow can't continue at its present rate forever, because we just don't have room. This country is closed in by oceans on two sides--where we gonna go from here? Difficult questions...

To: David Jones who wrote (37080)	8/6/2005 10:32:35 AM
From: shades	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

As one poster here already said, if it wasn't for the cheap ignorant immigrant, the rich in the society would move away from the area. I agree, jared diamond goes into some of this. A non sustainable society should not be the goal we collectively work towards - a society that requires a growing number of increasingly ignorant, uneducated people to do work will bust at some point. I wish more societal development took the star trek view - building towards a society where everyone had long life and great education. I am saddened by the liberal socialite women in palm beach that say they need the haitian immigrants to come in and do the yard work but are too good to go shop in the haitian stores. The only way it seems to maintain thier beautiful yard is ever increasing influx of ignorant poor. If they would shoot for a yard or landscaping that does not require ever inncreasing ignorant poor, then they would have a more sustainable lifestyle as the society equalizes toward the mean.