To: American Spirit who wrote (65191 ) 8/9/2005 10:09:54 AM From: lorne Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568 as. you said...."I am not defending western-hating Muslims. I have been over there and I don't like them. But I also don't want to give them any of my money for gasoline, nor even have to see them. ".... You don't like them and don't want to even see them. So does this mean you don't like them being in your country and OCCUPYING your land?? You said..."However, the fact remains that a careful study shows almost all Islamic terrorism results from our military occupying one or more of their lands. Including 9-11 which Osama claims was in response to us having military bases in Saudi Arabia. "..... So you agree with bin stupid that a military base in Saudi Arabia with the consent of the government of Saudi Arabia occupying is muslim land. Different countries have military bases and personal in many different countries...are they to occupying lands? You see you again give credence to bin stupid and his stupid cause by agreeing with his stupid statements. Stop defending bin stupid. You said....So if we don't want terrorism, let's get the hell out of Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Why do we need to be there anyway? I'll bet if we pulled out Al Qaida would collapse. Or just focus on Israel. Which is also occupying an Arab land. At least in part. "..... If you think that islam radical terrorists will stop if all civilized peoples of the world get out of what they consider their lands you are even more confused than I first thought. You just don't get it do you. islam wants to be the only religion in the entire world and they want islam to be the only government of the entire world. You are told this almost on a daily basis by someone somewhere in the world of islam. why do you continue to deny what is so obvious.... maybe for political gain in your own country? You said...."Islam preys on beaten down peoples. Then again, evangelical Christianity preys on gullible and hopeless people. In a sense all religions do, more or less. I'm spiritual, but frankly I don't trust any organized religion, especially when it's mixed with government. From the evidence I see, they all have positive sides but also corrupt sides. So in a sense they're all equal, though some are obviously more repression and others more liberal. That said, I do go to church occasionally and try to get some spiritual healing out of it. Anyway, the point is maybe we caused the terrorism, inadvertently or not. "..... Again some sensible comments from you. Why don't you stick to this line of thought and forget about kerry of the past. I agree with most of what you say with the exception of these items. ...."So in a sense they're all equal, ".... Islam terrorist murderers are beyond mere corruption...no comparsion at all IMO. .... Anyway, the point is maybe we caused the terrorism, inadvertently or not. "...... Why do you always want to blame yourself or America for the behaviour of islam terrorists? Islam terror has been in business for 1500 years. Do you really think that if America did not exist that islam terrorists would also not exist? ....."Or just focus on Israel. Which is also occupying an Arab land. At least in part. "..... One of the very first recognized states in the world was the state of Israel which is now located in exactly the same place as it was about 4000 years ago....muslims and others invaded Israel at different times throughout history and OCCUPIED THEIR LAND. From what you have been saying you believe that land taken and occupied in this manner should be given back to the original owners...correct? If so then Israel is entitled to be exactly where they are with the exception of Gaza which was not Jewish land 4000 years ago but was called Phillistine and was always separate from the State of Israel. Maybe we should stop occupying indian land in the Americas?