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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Wayners who wrote (695867)	8/9/2005 10:06:43 AM
From: JDN	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 769670

I am really disgusted with the UN now. Did you see that the FALL GUY they picked for the oil for food scandal was kept on UN payroll for $1 a year to give him diplomatic immunity, then they transferred him to Corsica that doesnt have transfer of criminals for financial fraud to USA so he probably will escape prosecution. Now more then ever I feel if we cant reform the UN which I doubt we can we ought to GET OUT. jdn ps: SI IS SO SLOW today may not be able to keep up.

To: Wayners who wrote (695867)	8/9/2005 2:55:07 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 769670

Sure! (But you asked: 'why would the US government deliberately allow OBL to escape?' Who says it's 'deliberate' at the highest policy levels of government? What if it was merely a tactical mistake, a screwed-up policy, a mistaken belief that he wasn't there at the time by certain policy makers?) For it to have been a deliberate action: leaving an escape route open and refusing to commit US forces directly to close it off, then, yes, we would have to dip pretty deep into the wells of 'conspiracy thinking'... but there ARE notable patriots and political thinkers who have remarked on Government's eternal quest to increase it's powers over the population... and that 'continual' war or 'states of alarm' are among government's favored tools for achieving these aims. (So, however unpleasant to consider, it is certainly not unprecedented or impossible.....) These tools have a LONG history of being successful at this... throughout the history of the world. So it is perhaps not so unusual a thing to believe that they would remain current.) (As to the specifics of the Tora Bora campaign... I suggest we wait for this, and other books to come out before we speak out about what we think they may say. That is: IF THEY EVER COME OUT in our lifetimes.) ======================================= It is always the natural tendency of politicians and bureaucrats to seek to exploit temporary crisis, to expand permanently their powers over the public: "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." --- Edmund Burke (1784) "Perhaps it is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad...." --- James Madison to Thomas Jefferson, May 13, 1798. "Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes... known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few... No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." --- James Madison, 4th U.S. President, Political Observations, 1795 "Of all the enemies of public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, and the executive is the branch most favored by it of all the branches..." --- James Madison "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace in a continual state of alarm (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing them with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." --- H. L. Mencken "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." --- Thomas Jefferson, in 1816. "The executive power in our government is not the only, perhaps not even the principal, object of my solicitude. The tyranny of the legislature is really the danger most to be feared, and will continue to be so for many years to come. The tyranny of the executive power will come in its turn, but at a more distant period." It is through the checks and balances that the rights of minorities are protected. When the various powers in the government, the legislature, the judiciary, the bureacracy all become selected and subservient to one philosophy, that is when the tyranny of the majority becomes a major danger to the republic. When the power is further limited to executive, military, and national police, then the tyranny becomes direct and the age of the republic is no more. --- Thomas Jefferson "Freedom is a fragile thing and is never more than one generation away from extinction." --- Ronald Reagan