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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1601)	8/10/2005 8:37:36 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24213

I got a call from another town nearby. They have another 12 barrels ready to pick up. At the surplus store the barrels are $58 retail. FREE from the town. Enough for another 3 biodiesel processors. A few pumps, tubing, mixer and fittings and they will be ready. Providing them to friends and neighbors. Here on the ranch I am planting 6 acres of Rapeseed (canola) 6 acres should provide approx. 6 to 8 tons of seed if the rates specified are correct. That translates into approx. 1000 gallons of biodiesel. Imagine 1000 acres of rapeseed. That is about 150,000 gallons of diesel. Wheat on 1000 acres sells for about $110k and the finished biofuel sells for $375k plus a $1 per gallon tax break and a $0.50 credit on taxes. Potential earnings on land could be much better on biofuels than food. Pipe dreams......

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1601)	8/10/2005 8:39:34 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Respond to of 24213

You can use it not only as a drip filter but as a finish filter for raw water into drinking water. One barrel can filter enough water for 3 people using gravity feed only.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1601)	8/10/2005 10:26:51 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24213

This post on ROE3 is from the producer of "End of Suburbia". Twenty dollars to Texas, twenty dollars to these folks. Pretty soon twenty bucks is many bucks. Vote with your money folks! Vote with your money. Support those that support you! here is Barry Silverthorn's email address: electricwallpaper@hotmail.com ************************************************************** Hello ROE3 group members. Most days I'm reading messages here, but today I have an announcement. We have just released a new version of our DVD, The END of SUBURBIA: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of the American Dream. The content of the DVD is the same as before, but now it's available in a cardboard sleeve without shrink-wrap. This means that it uses less materials (oil mainly), and it costs dramatically less to ship. The best part is that the cost is under $20, so now those of you who wanted to send a copy to a friend or relative can do so without spending all your allowance. And if you order a 3-pack, you'll save even more. You can order a copy online at endofsuburbia.com Barry Silverthorn Producer/editor, "The END of SUBURBIA" somewhere near Toronto

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1601)	8/10/2005 10:36:26 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Respond to of 24213

Clothes washing alternatives. All things must be considered. a good old fashioned wringer for wet clothes. northdoorway.com Post from ROE3 ************************************************************** I recently bought a Wonder Clean Hand Washer for clothes, and did my first laundry with it this morning (6 shirts, 1 pants, in two loads). It used 6 quarts of water for each wash, and I tried one load rinsed in the Wonder Clean with another 6 quarts of water, and I rinsed one load in the sink because I was out of hot water (heated on our outdoor propane stove). The sink rinse took more water. It was reasonably inexpensive, about $45 with shipping. Much cheaper than an efficient electric clothes washer ($600 to $1200). It is made of durable plastic, but given its small size it has to use less resources and have less embodied energy than a regular metal washing machine. The little machine worked like a charm. The clothes came out very clean. It requires warm water, no cold water washing, to build up the pressure inside (according to the instructions) but I will probably try it with cold water anyway to see what the difference is between the two. It is easy to crank, but it seems to me it needs a way to fasten it to a counter, as I had to hold it down with one hand while I cranked it with the other. 120 revolutions and each load was done, if you are washing less (say only 1 shirt), you use less water and 60 revolutions. I have done a lot of hand laundry in the sink, and this Wonder Clean gizmo definitely does a better job than sink washing of clothes, and uses a lot less water. Now all I need is a good wringer, and I will be set for the hand clothes washing department. It won't wash a comforter, and if i had teenage kids they would have to do their own wash, but for small households like ours this works fine. It would work fine with larger households too as long as more people were involved with the laundry. I got mine at lehmans.com . Does anyone else out there have one of these? If you've been using it for a while, any tips? Thanks. Robert Waldrop, OKC

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1601)	8/10/2005 10:41:57 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24213

An interview with Matthew Simmons about his latest book, "Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy". In either transcript form for those with low bandwidth or Windows Media or MP3 download for those that can. An important listen....... financialsense.com I can email the file to anyone that wants it. MP3 format. Very good quality.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (1601)	8/10/2005 10:45:54 PM
From: coug	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 24213

OT Rat: JUst was on Sioux's thread and learned he was banned for talking about those mean-spirited POSs from the LL thread. As I told you by PM, they (LIZARDS THREAD) will stink up any thread they get close to and I am not ever far from the mark on human nature. I got caught up in it as you know for calling it the way it is on ep's thread and it hurt our friendship.. So I just wanted to "clear the air".. And it is not really a, "I told you so thing", but it is. <g>.. Why suffer those fools, I can't.. I know their game.. They have a CESSPOOL of a thread, where they just GOSSIP and BELITTLE others with no real bans for just BAITING people to come over to wrestle in the mud with them.. That's what they want.. They don't know any OTHER way.. It is sad.. :(.. But they are just like their leadership, they can't find peace with themselves so they harass others for they can't "live and let live".. Like in the Scando countries.. They don't have a "terrorist problem for they don't bother anyone. Thanks, And GO COUGS and BEARS.. In that order.. c