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To: LindyBill who wrote (131900)	8/12/2005 12:06:28 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793824

You will recognize that we are almost all "Jacksonians" here. Yes, I do. ;^) Think I am a Jeffersonian. JohnM is probably a Wilsonian. Meade's original article is available somewhere on the web. I am just taking a coffee break, will look for it later.

To: LindyBill who wrote (131900)	8/12/2005 2:46:49 PM
From: Whitebeard	Respond to of 793824

Excellent When I was in school there were still those that considered Jackson one of our 3 great presidents, along with Washington and Lincoln. I thought Jackson had lost his place as a great American President because of his war against the Indians, what is now referred to as genocide by such as Ward Churchill. I now see that he represents everything the Wilsonians hate. That's why he is no longer in Presidential pantheon as taught by the left wing academics.

To: LindyBill who wrote (131900)	8/31/2005 6:12:59 AM
From: Taro	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793824

"The Jacksonian Tradition" by Russel Mead Long but... very impressive, a major project, engaged and very engaging as well. Thanks a lot for bringing it. I didn't know. But rest assured that Jacksonians are not only born in your country: Born and raised in Scandinavia, a resident of Germany for 30 years and now living in San Diego half the time, these are the values I grew up with, learned to respect and make my own a long time ago. Some hope for Europe? Taro

To: LindyBill who wrote (131900)	9/2/2005 10:11:39 AM
From: Taro	Respond to of 793824

LB, I received this comment from my buddy Bob, an old friend of mine living in Dublin, CA. While being familiar with most writings in this area, amazingly he had never heard of this essay before. Taro Subject: Re: The Jacksonian Tradition" by Russel Mead. Written by a real intellect, with a headful of information and experience to mull over. I think it hits the nail on the head. Subscription to the beliefs and principles he describes is what knits together the vast majority of those Americans we currently call Conservatives. Regarding west-Europeans, however, I still fear that Jacksonians would be found in the minority if an accurate count were taken. Especially among the young - the group that matters most. Motivated by still-too-close memories of war on their own soil, and too deeply enamored of the paradise that theory says socialistic government can give them. Jacksonianism, as he describes it, is too deeply rooted in the very common (working) man to suit European thinking. At its base, it's not sufficiently sophisticated to appeal to the better-educated peoples of west Europe. All-in-all, when push comes to shove, I fear that America can never rely upon west Europe for support of these most fundamental philosophies. Too many Europeans believe that even the nastiest international problems can be solved through entirely peaceful means. Especially when alternatives require taking risk. A partial proof is that the French and Germans, the largest countries involved in this opinion, were quite happy and pleased to allow the USA to continue protecting them from the Soviet Union, at its own expense, throughout the Cold War. A real Jacksonian would be too proud to allow that to go on once he had sufficient resources to look out for himself. Europeans, though, preferred to spend their wealth on socialist government and maintenance of a high standard of living, even if their defense was being largely supported by an outside power. Jacksonians would find that repugnant.