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To: JohnM who wrote (132354)	8/14/2005 10:09:07 AM
From: Constant Reader	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793782

I might have phrased it differently, but I'm afraid that your pessimistic view may not be too the mark about the end result given the sorry results so far. I'm not so sure, however, that either Bosnia or Kosovo are shining examples of how to do it right. It seems to me that the ethnic cleansing of villages was pretty far along and largely "mission accomplished" before the rest of the world decided to actually do something about it in Bosnia. In Kosovo, it seems the Kosovars have been pretty effective at carrying out their own form of ethnic cleansing right under the noses of the occupying forces. After over a decade, neither state is sufficiently stable to allow the removal of foreign troops keeping the peace and there appears to be no end in sight. Of course, I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time nor the last.

To: JohnM who wrote (132354)	8/14/2005 12:25:31 PM
From: haqihana	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793782

JohnM, Have you been to Iraq? Have you seen with your own eyes the conditions that you are so adamant about? If not, your posts are nothing but your personal theories. You can't rely on anything the media has to say, so what iron clad source do you have to prove any word that you post? All I see is "most likely", and "possibility", in your posts, which are not much for anyone to hang his hat on. Even saying something like "most likely" is nothing but your personal opinion. BTW, It is documented that Bill Clinton was offered the opportunity twice to arrest Osama, and he failed to care enough to do so.

To: JohnM who wrote (132354)	8/14/2005 1:45:38 PM
From: Constant Reader	Respond to of 793782

I forgot to ask if you had any information on what exactly were the exit strategies for intervening in Bosnia, and Kosovo, and Haiti, if any? I guess we can add those to the list of failed interventions, along with Cyprus, the Congo, what seems like about half of Francophone Africa, and Liberia, to name just a few.

To: JohnM who wrote (132354)	8/14/2005 7:28:41 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793782

positive aspects of Clinton's foreign policies I don't remember any. Bosnia and Kosovo would have been reviled by you and your friends if done that way by a conservative Prez.

To: JohnM who wrote (132354)	8/14/2005 8:22:32 PM
From: DavesM	Respond to of 793782

John, Isn't Rich's article kind of like saying: That the U.S. lost the Cold War after the stalemate in Korea or the American pullout in Vietnam? Usually when one talks about ethnic cleansing, isn't it when a majority population targets an ethnic minority? In the case of Iraq, you have foreign fighters entering the country and killing members of the ethnic majority. I am not aware of a pogrom against the Sunni minority. The question is: Why aren't the Shiite majority striking back with mass killings in Sunni neighborhoods and villages? Maybe it's because even with the current wave bombings, the number of Shiite Iraqi's being killed by "insurgents" is probably less than the rate that Saddam was killing them.