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To: tejek who wrote (246092)	8/15/2005 5:03:39 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571808

I am saying you will not stop them from getting the bomb short of nuking them. If you think nuking them is worth it, then go for it. History tells us otherwise. Iraq was 1-2 years from getting nukes, when Israel destroyed their nuclear capabilities. Then the U.N. came in and dismantled most of the rest of their WMD capabilities. Then we finished the job once and for all with the Iraq war. We didn't have to use nukes on Iraq. The most important lesson the whole world learned about Iraq was that the combination of U.S. air patrols and U.N. sanctions pretty much destroyed Iraq's economy. That lesson is not lost on Iran. You see, they still have plenty to lose. They may not fear a U.S. ground war against them, but I guarantee you they fear losing their oil wealth. A U.S. air war against Iran will accomplish two things: 1) complete destruction of all of their anti-aircraft capabilities and all of their military and nuclear complexes, and 2) severe degradation of their economic wealth. It will cost us less to prosecute an air war against Iran than it will cost their economy and they know it. That is their achilles heel, because they are currently using their oil wealth to buy off their disgruntled youth who yearn to join the world community in freedom. Without their wealth, they will face a very formidable young population that won't put up with much more shit from the theocracy. Iran's only hope, frankly, is to somehow stall for 3 more years and hope a Democrat is elected. At that point, I certainly will have to agree with you that all hope will be gone from us preventing Iran from getting nukes or from preventing terrorists from nuking the U.S. However, as much as I hate Bush, I think he is the only real hope of forcing Iran to the negotiating table with Europe or alternatively, a U.S. air war lead by Bush to destroy their nuke capabilities once and for all.

To: tejek who wrote (246092)	8/15/2005 5:12:29 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571808

Now if you all used your brains for more than the minute it takes to consider dropping bombs, you would realize that as a population gets more educated, more affluent, more professional, it tends to become more democratic and more secular......its people want a say in the future of their country and they don't want to have to go to church/mosque everyday to do it. And they are less likely to be aggressive and throw nukes around. I really like to believe you, but when I read articles about how Iran is recruiting 40,000 suicide bombers for their army and I read about how they fund Lebanese and Palestinian terrorist groups, and I read about how they are funding, arming, and supporting the insurgents in Iraq against the wishes of the Iraqis, I have to say that I really don't believe you. Even if I did believe you about the Iranian people, I'd still have to point out all the evidence that proves that Iran's government must be completely different than the people they govern. The Iranian government is nothing short of a terrorist government. For that reason alone, we can't allow them to get nukes under any circumstances. If the Iranian people truly are the way you say they are (and by the way, I believe their youth are exactly how you say they are), then they are chafing badly under the Iranian government and perhaps they are a little despaired about getting rid of that gov't, since they have had no success getting freedom, even after a revolution against the Shah.

To: tejek who wrote (246092)	8/15/2005 5:18:53 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1571808

A small band of wackos is one thing. But that's not what we are talking about here. We are talking about 1.3 billion people who are becoming more angry by the moment. I think what you completely discount is that another half a billion people are getting very sick of Muslims in general and the terrorists that emerge from their culture. And it just so happens that this half a billion control 95% of the wealth and power in this world. Call it a culture clash or whatever, but the losers in this will be all of us, but the Muslims will lose 10 times more than we will lose. You think Israel's actions of building walls to prohibit Arabs from visiting them are an isolated act? The U.S. and Europe have already erected walls themselves in the form of tough visa restrictions and lately expulsion of Muslims from their lands. We are seeing that Muslims are getting excluded from the opportunities to get the best education in our countries and they are being denied jobs and entry visas. They are losing right now and the further this clash goes on, the more they will be excluded and the more they will lose. The whole world will want nothing to do with them. It's just like in gradeschool. The jerk that no one likes gets excluded from all the games and from all the fun. The jerk may tell you to your face that he doesn't care if he's excluded, but he does care. Muslims need to figure out a way to fix this problem, because in an escalation, they will be the biggest losers.