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Politics : Rat's Nest - Chronicles of Collapse -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (1725)	8/15/2005 7:23:57 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 24223

Funny how the Publicans resurrect things like WE WILL BURY YOU... AND APPLY THEM TO WAR HEROES RUNNING FOR OFFICE.... No shame Nothing is out of bounds.... despicable

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (1725)	8/15/2005 10:31:50 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Respond to of 24223

<<< Know something? I don't think GWB invented pork. Or Slick. Or GWB's father. Or ... Or George Washington. There were the colonial gov'ts before him and European monarchies earlier. How far you want to go back?>>> GWB did not invent pork. He just raised it to a new level. Or should I say his associates raised the bar. Such as: newsmax.com (((((According to the report, the Halliburton subsidiaries, Dresser-Rand and Ingersoll Dresser Pump Co., sold material to Baghdad through French affiliates. The sales lasted from the first half of 1997 to the summer of 2000. Cheney resigned from Halliburton in August)))) these transactions were perfectly legal because they were run through a french subsidiary of Halliburton. These were only the contracts during the so called embargo on oil from Iraq. Its ok as long as the loopholes to the law exist. Take it back as far as you like into the past. Does that make it right or acceptable? <<<< Gov'ts collect, then disperse $$$$. >>>> So dispersing the war profits to Halliburton which was run by Cheney prior to the Iraq war is totally acceptable. And not only large contracts but no bids were taken for most contracts. Just awards. corpwatch.org (((( Wartime Profiteering Meanwhile Dick Cheney's 2001 financial disclosure statement, states that the Halliburton is paying him a "deferred compensation" of up to $1million a year following his resignation as chief executive in 2000. At the time Cheney opted not to receive his severance package in a lump sum, but instead to have it paid to him over five years, possibly for tax reasons. The company would not say how much the payments are. The obligatory disclosure statement filled by all top government officials says only that they are in the range of $100,000 and $1million. Nor is it clear how they are calculated. Critics say that the apparent conflict of interest is deplorable. "The Bush-Cheney team have turned the United States into a family business," says Harvey Wasserman, author of The Last Energy War (Seven Stories Press, 2000). "That's why we haven't seen Cheney - he's cutting deals with his old buddies who gave him a multimillion-dollar golden handshake. Have they no grace, no shame, no common sense? Why don't they just have Enron run America? Or have Zapata Petroleum (George W. Bush's failed oil-exploration venture) build a pipeline across Afghanistan?" )))) <<<< Pigs congregate around anything that does that. THe only way you will change that is change human nature. >>>> On that we agree. (see above) <<<< So unless you're ready to kill a few tens or hundreds of millions, or billions of people, it appears you can't do it. And even if you do try that approach, it still won't work. >>> You may be a prophet. If we do not change course soon that may happen. <<<< Halliburton is certainly looking out for the little guy.... NOT! Halliburton employees tens of thousands of "little guys". You prefer they starve? Or would you rather they be gov't employees or on the dole? >>>> I provide some services to Halliburton in the gas patch. Their men are very capable. Are they the only company capable of doing this work? What about hiring Iraqi's to feed our troops? What about hiring Iraqi's to man the oil field, repair the infrastructure of their own country. No, we hire them to be police and get killed. Brilliant strategy. Corporation greed at its best. Why do you think the insurgency is gaining so much strength? No gas in Iraq. No stable electricity in Iraq. And now Monsanto wants to outlaw all indigenous seed in Iraq. khilafah.com (((( Iraqi Farmers Aren't Celebrating World Food Day Nov 11, 2004 As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to save their seeds. Instead, they will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations — including seeds the Iraqis themselves developed over hundreds of years. That is because in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo: Pay Monsanto, or starve. <<<< Ain't no way to make crap smell better except to bury it. Ever hear of sewage treatment plants? >>>> Yes, we even have them here in the west..... Too bad some of the billions going to Halliburton cannot seem to help the poor Iraqi people. Of course they are just an occupied country. Why should we worry about raw sewage when we have a war to fight? interaction.org (((( With summer temperatures soaring to above 110 degrees, sewage waste pooling on the streets and indications of increased rates of acute malnutrition in children under the age of five, Mercy Corps CEO Neal Keny-Guyer says that there are reasons to be concerned about the humanitarian conditions in Iraq. )))) <<<< I am astounded with the stupidity of the general public. I don't know nuthin and don't want you telling me nuthin! >>>> I regret that line. After reading it I realize it is pompous and calloused. <<<<You must be a liberal.>>>> I have voted both ways in the past. Split the ticket usually depending on the office. <<<< Only liberals claim to champion the "little guy" and insult him at the same time.>>>> Not true. Rush and Hannity do it everyday. One thing I have noticed is that conservatives attack everything. The word liberal has become something that conjurs up visions of two headed dragons to conservatives. My mom was a liberal. My grandfather who worked the farm for fifty years was a liberal. Lots of police and firemen are liberals. It seems that according to conservatives I am either one of them or damned. None of them have two heads as far as I could see...... <<<< What part of the end of life as we have known it do we not understand????????????? How many times do you think this has been said? For starters, look up "Luddites". >>>> What is different about our present circumstance is that throughout history another source of energy was available. If oil is a finite resource and not abiotic as some theorize then we had better get our consumption under control and find alternative power sources. Not my idea. That is what is being discussed within energy companies world wide I am sure. Instead we get an energy bill giving enormous tax breaks to the largest of the corporations. At a time when their profit margins are higher than ever..... <<<< Remember in the '80s the Japanese were going to bury us?>>>> The world is a much smaller place in the 21st century. Empire has been tried before. None of them last. The thought of traveling to India or Sumatra or Africa and being able to buy a McDonalds happy meal somehow is not that appetizing to me. An empire that looks the same no matter where you go. Homogenized and packaged. Don't you think that we could try it a different way? One that involves a little humanity for the world? Seems to me that both sides should be able to admit their mistakes and learn from them. It is myopic to continue to believe we have no blame in world conditions. My father only asked me to read one book in my entire life. "The Ugly American"

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (1725)	8/16/2005 11:19:59 PM
From: Bill on the Hill	Respond to of 24223

why do we separate ourselves into these parties which cause us to attack each other when we all have a common enemies? At home and abroad. #1 Do you believe it is ok for our leaders to lie? All other questions are unimportant as far as I can see. No using yes with conditions. Our leaders are our elected officials. Not just one parties elected officials. And they work for us. Not for the corporations. Do you not agree that it is time to remove that influence from our political system? Where can we find some common ground? I see the worst case coming true. You do not. Or so I assume. You have not stated what you think. Only attack my position. It did allow me to look at myself and caused me to try to think before I type. It is tough to keep my emotions and fears at bay. Much less my prejudice. Bill