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To: Slagle who wrote (67793)	8/18/2005 10:40:06 PM
From: shades	Respond to of 74559

Slagle, it will definitely go down when the powers that be let it, looking at FORESTS and not the tree - i read many many large big money guys like presbyterian church fund and big college pension fund and that type stuff are not allowed to put their money just anywhere they want divestterror.org divestterror.org Independent Actions Nevertheless, a minority of states have independently moved to figure out whether their pension systems invest in companies that may be doing business with nations tied to terror. The Arizona and Pennsylvania state legislatures have passed legislation to require pension fund managers to report investments in companies operating in terrorist-sponsoring nations so that state officials can decide whether to divest them. In New York City, where hundreds of firefighters were killed on Sept. 11, 2001, Comptroller William Thompson Jr. reviewed the investment portfolios of the city's five pension funds and targeted three companies that did business with state sponsors of terrorism. On behalf of the New York City Fire Department Pension Fund and the Police Pension Fund, Thompson submitted a shareholder resolution to those companies early last year asking board members to review business with terror-linked countries, according to a February 2003 release from Thompson's office. In February 2004, Thompson's office said, one of the companies announced plans to ban the business activities of its subsidiaries in sanctioned countries, including Iran and Syria. "A group like CalPERS or the New York state pension funds -- they, by the sheer power of their holdings and ownership stake -- can make a significant difference as part of a larger coalition making the point that you should or shouldn't invest in socially responsible investments," said Butler, the Uniformed Firefighters Association spokesman. ...and guys on cspan say this causing big problems for iran and russia and those type countries because if it weren't for these laws and transparency they could be getting some funding - remember like you teach me about post ww1 germany - to keep them from getting all war like again we thought it smart to fund them and thier companies - but it seems today we are doing the opposite - so where are all these big fund guys supposed to go? GOOG seems to be "approved" by the gubbment - so rationally we may not think goog worth 800 - but if the trillion billion dollar pension guys cant invest where they want too because of government RULES and homeland security type stuff - they maybe inflate stock values of companies that from pure economic viewpoint don't deserve it. SOCIALLY responsible investing maybe make all the CINDY SHEEHAN types only put thier money with GOOG - when foriegn company much more deserving no from pure economic basis. Or maybe like one of phils picks - armor holdings? Boone Pickens says buy COAL - but I really hate to burn more coal when the air and water already so polluted - what to do Slagle? DICKS and GOOG - Cramer been around too many high power richie types his whole life not to be good and crooked by this point - poisoned you know - toxic by the environment around him - perhaps it not even money right now - he just helping his friends out so later after he lose his show he can go work somewhere that pay him big salary - hedging his career you know - hehe. Insana did grocery experiment today and show inflation numbers BULLSHIT - I bet BUSH did not like that - journalists not towing the party line anymore eh? For all of wall street to go to jail - that along what jay was saying - small revolutions growing into big revolts and riots - I gonna have to see Oprah's ratings go WAY DOWN before I think people care enough about thier world to actually do SOMETHING that requires work like that - hehe. I know MR. CHINA say communist government not holding things together very well at all in china and maybe jay seeing lots of riots over there, but I see differences over here. Right now at wal-mart I still see lots of roseanne barr types sucking down that chicken leg and her little mini me clones excited about the next brittney CD - phil talk about this on his show today - I agree with him. Now palm beach, that the beginning, but until I read many many more stories like this one from all over the country - I am not convinced there is going to be all that much change. sun-sentinel.com Two smugglers get prison terms for bringing in Guatemalan teen who later killed herself By Chrystian Tejedor Staff Writer Posted August 18 2005 A federal judge on Wednesday sentenced two immigrant smugglers to more than a year in prison, almost two months after a young woman they snuck into the country hanged herself in Boynton Beach. "We are not happy," said Ana Miguel, the mother of Susana Mateo José, 18, who slipped into her family's garden and hanged herself from a mango tree in June. "We always feel sad for them, but the law is what governs." U.S. District Judge Donald Middlebrooks in Miami sentenced Ricardo Contreras, 33, to serve 18 months in prison and three years of supervised release, and Rogino Sánchez, 24, to 15 months in prison and two years of supervised release for illegally transporting people into the United States. Contreras and Sánchez made headlines in March when police arrested them after the exchange for José went bad. José's parents called 911 and told police that two men kidnapped their daughter from a Lantana Kmart. The family briefly followed Contreras and Sánchez until they lost sight of the vehicle. Cell phone and phone company records led police to a house in Lake Worth. Police would later catch the men in heavy traffic on Interstate 95. An investigation determined that the smugglers took off with José because her family didn't have the remaining $2,500 in fees they promised Contreras and Sánchez. José's parents paid the men more than $2,700 before their daughter reached Florida. Authorities reunited José with her family, but she could have been deported to Guatemala, where she had lived with relatives since her parents left in 1986. In a suicide note to her father, José hinted that she was suffering a private torment possibly caused by her trip to Florida and closed by wishing her father a happy Father's Day. José's body was flown to Guatemala and buried in her native town of San Rafael La Independencia. When police arrested Contreras and Sánchez in March, they found $11,000 in cash in their vehicle and a ledger listing the names of other immigrants and the amount the smugglers were owed. Court documents show that Contreras and Sánchez transported a group of illegal immigrants from Arizona to Alabama and then continued on to Florida to deliver José to her family. Contreras and Sánchez likely will be deported to Mexico after they are released from prison, prosecutors said. Outside the family's small Boynton Beach home, her parents expressed neither sorrow nor gratitude when they heard of the sentences imposed on the smugglers. "Only God can say," José's mother said.