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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (92278)8/18/2005 10:58:05 PM
From: afrayem onigwecher  Read Replies (4) | Respond to of 122087
 
if you have not seen Dr. Byrne, ceo of Overstock, and his interview on CNBC, it is a must watch.

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To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (92278)8/19/2005 6:33:23 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 122087
 
Yes, that is so right. The hedgies are all fine people, there for the good of the market and mankind. We should let them make money and take whatever they feel like taking. Why bother with the little guy? He's not as important as the Rocker crew.

Remember all the similar posts proclaiming the same about MM's. They are there strictly to make an orderly market. There is no wrong doing, no pocket lining. We heard the same praises and smoochey rhetoric about gurus of the past. "Here for the greater good to out scams. The Batman defense will prove innocence and great trades 110% of the time." The voices here were loud and repetitive.



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (92278)8/19/2005 9:13:36 AM
From: scion  Respond to of 122087
 
They'll be back.

Whatever became of those evil MMs we used to hear so much about? Or those crooked short Canadians? Because, you know, we were told for years that if we just cracked down on those folks we could eliminate most of the risk in investing in penny stocks. Umm, sure.



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (92278)8/19/2005 10:21:19 AM
From: scion  Respond to of 122087
 
BYRNE TARGET TO FIRE BACK

By RODDY BOYD
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PATRICK BYRNE
Countersuit to come.

nypost.com

August 19, 2005 -- Rocker Partners, the short-selling hedge fund being sued by Overstock.com, said it is in the process of filing a counter-suit against the company and its controversial chief executive officer, Patrick Byrne.
The suit — which has yet to be filed — is a response to a claim filed last week in California state court, alleging that Rocker and an independent research company called Gradient Analytics illegally tried to drive down Overstock's stock price.

The suit alleges that Rocker, peddling Gradient's intentionally false research, manipulated many reporters into publishing stories critical of Overstock.

What caught Wall Street's eye, though, was the argument made by Byrne. He said, in a rambling conference call and followup CNBC interview, that Rocker and Gradient were cogs in a vast conspiracy controlled by "The Sith Lord."

The Sith Lord, according to Byrne, is a 1980s-era financial mastermind who is directing the entire naked short-selling process.

Rocker's counterclaim will allege that Overstock, Byrne and co-plaintiff Mary Helburn filed a frivolous lawsuit to damage the reputations of Rocker's senior partners David Rocker and Marc Cohedes.

Also named in the suit will be an individual using the pseudonym "Bob O'Brien," who is an official with the National Coalition Against Naked Shorting, and a vocal critic of Rocker Partners on several Internet message boards.

Rocker's lawyers with Lowenstein Sandler declined to comment on the timing of the suit, or detail specific allegations.

A lawyer from the firm declined to comment on the identity of the Sith Lord, or if it would be revealed during pretrial discovery.

The $460 million fund has a substantial bet that the price of Overstock will drop via 80,000 put options, according to a recent Securities and Exchange Commission filing.



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (92278)8/19/2005 1:47:05 PM
From: scion  Respond to of 122087
 
Naked Before Byrne
By Kevin Kelleher
TheStreet.com Senior Writer
8/18/2005 9:42 AM EDT
URL:

thestreet.com

Naked shorts. There's something about those two words that begs for sensational coverage. But the scarcity of hard data on the illicit trading tactic so far has only polarized the debate on how serious a problem it has become.

Since TheStreet.com ran a story questioning whether a new law aimed at curbing naked short-selling was being enforced, the topic has become something of a media phenomenon. Not really because of TheStreet.com, but because of Overstock.com (OSTK:Nasdaq) CEO Patrick Byrne, who is like watching Lost -- always entertaining if sometimes a little hard to follow.

In what will surely go down as one of the least orthodox investor calls ever, Byrne set out to explain a lawsuit his company filed against Rocker Partners, a high-profile hedge fund.

Along the way, he described what he called a "Miscreants Ball," where hedge funds like Rocker waltzed with regulators, research firms and journalists at Barron's, The Wall Street Journal and, yes, TheStreet.com. Byrne also made shoutouts to fictional characters like Lord Sith as well as Wayne and Garth. If you're weary from chewing over dry SEC filings, this transcript is a real palate cleanser.

The issue got a further hearing Wednesday on CNBC when Byrne appeared opposite hedge fund manager Jeff Matthews, who was highly critical of Byrne but denied being part of any cabal against Overstock.

(Rocker Partners owns about an 8% stake in TheStreet.com (TSCM:Nasdaq) , and the site's star columnist, Jim Cramer, as well as two former writers, were named by Byrne as guests at the Miscreants Ball. Rocker Partners said today that it plans to countersue Overstock, alleging that Byrne's recent media appearances hurt the firm's reputation.)

Byrne's call pushed the topic of naked short-selling into heavy rotation at CNBC and gave it a wider airing. In so doing, it revived the question of how serious of a threat naked short-selling really is. Some, especially those working at hedge funds, say it's a straw man -- that most of the positions created by failed deliveries are related to options trading and not a concerted effort to drive stocks down.

That may be the case. But without better data on stocks that failed to deliver, the rest of us will never know for sure. Meanwhile, what little data are available suggest that naked shorting may indeed be out of control and that a much-ballyhooed trading rule known as Regulation SHO has so far done little to rein it in.

First, a little background. Shorting stocks, or selling shares you borrowed from another shareholder, isn't illegal. Abusive shorting, done to manipulate a stock price, is. And selling the stock of a badly managed company to a less-thoughtful investor is fair -- if brutal -- game in a market where stupidity is a sin. Over the past two decades, shorting has gone from a controversial strategy to an accepted practice that, nearly everyone agrees, weeds weak and fraudulent companies from the field.

More recently, the controversy has moved to naked short-selling. Naked shorting is in essence make-believe short-selling. In the same way kids play doctor without the medical equipment, naked shorters sell unborrowed stocks -- stocks that no one has borrowed and possibly never will. The SEC allows naked shorting in two cases: to maintain liquidity in hard-to-find shares and for anyone who shorted unborrowed shares before 2005. That second exemption has generated its own share of controversy.

As is often the case, stock newsletters were among the first to suspect a problem. The straw-man theory argues that critics of naked shorting are burned investors or corrupt executives who blame hedge funds the way failed businessmen blame the government for their own failures. But in recent months, newsletters like CrossCurrents and Biotech Monthly have sounded alarms on naked shorting.

"I'm quite confident that this is a much larger issue than anyone cares to consider," says CrossCurrents editor Alan Newman. It's hard to find bears any harder-core than Newman, who in February 2000 put a then-unthinkable 3000 target on Nasdaq and who today expects the Dow to sink to 8500. When the uber-bears are worried about the adverse impact of shorting, it's time to start worrying.

Newman explains naked short-selling in eye-opening clarity. Selling unborrowed shares means the buyer doesn't get delivery of the shares he bought. "There are now two actual owners of the same shares. The exact same shares now show up long in both accounts," Newman says. "Every 100 shares of a naked short is a duplication of real shares, just as if the shares had been photocopied and distributed."

So how extensive is the naked shorting? According to Larry Thompson, the First Deputy General Counsel at the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation, a central clearinghouse for trade settlement, about 1.5% of the dollar volume of stocks traded each day fail to deliver. In a Q&A published this March on the DTCC site, "fails to deliver and receive amount to about $6 billion daily ... including both new fails and aged fails."

Overall, 1.5% of volume may not be much of an impact. But judging from the way some stocks spend weeks and months on the threshold list of shares that face persistent delivery failures, the naked shorting is concentrated in illiquid shares known to be hedge fund targets. The bulk are traded over the counter, but some are well known, such as Netflix (NFLX:Nasdaq) , Netease (NTES:Nasdaq) , Shanda Interactive (SNDA:Nasdaq) and Taser International (TASR:Nasdaq) .

Perhaps the most telling data came from a simple Freedom of Information Act filed by an individual investor who asked the SEC for aggregate data on failed deliveries on the NYSE and Nasdaq. Before Regulation SHO was passed in September 2004, an average of about 155 million shares a day failed to deliver on the two exchanges, excluding OTC and Pink Sheet stocks, the data showed.

After Regulation SHO was passed, the delivery failures rose, averaging 205 million shares a day in December and rising as high as 259 million on Dec. 22 alone. Since the law went into effect on Jan. 3, the delivery failures have declined, but are still only about 20% below their levels of last summer.

The SEC, wanting to avoid short-squeezes in dozens of stocks caused by the closing out of naked short positions, opted to "grandfather in" any failed deliveries before Jan. 3. But that opened the door to another problem: In the four months between the date Regulation SHO went into effect and the date it took effect, the grandfather provision gave anyone who was so inclined a generous period of time to build up naked short positions in any stock he liked.

Or, to use the counterfeit analogy, imagine outlawing the printing of funny money, but giving everyone four months to print up as much as they'd like. Only then would counterfeit dollars be illegal -- but only to print, not to use.

And it wasn't as if regulators weren't expecting this. The NASD, in a 2004 proposal to tighten rules on naked short-selling, wrote, "Naked short-selling ... can result in long-term failures to deliver, including aggregate failures to deliver that exceed the total float of a security. NASD believes that such extended failures to deliver can have a negative effect on the market."

"Among other things, by not having to deliver securities, naked short-sellers can take on larger short positions than would otherwise be permissible, which can facilitate manipulative activity," the proposal read. "Further, significant failures to deliver can impact certain rights of buyers, such as the right to vote shares or the treatment of dividends."

So the hedge funds may be right in that many of the companies suffering from short-selling are badly run or on the path to insolvency anyway. And it may be that none of them are engaging in naked shorting in the era of Regulation SHO.

But if they are, it raises a serious question: Isn't there a better way to pursue their noble ends?



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (92278)8/19/2005 1:51:34 PM
From: scion  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 122087
 
A Dozen Questions for Dr. Byrne
By Seth Jayson (TMF Bent)
August 18, 2005

fool.com

It's been a heck of a week for Overstock.com (Nasdaq: OSTK) -- and anyone who follows the company. For those of you returning from vacation or living under rocks, CEO Dr. Patrick Byrne held a conference call last Thursday to discuss Overstock's lawsuit against David Rocker's hedge fund, Gradient Analytics, and assorted John Does. All were engaged, Byrne said, in a vast conspiracy to drive down Overstock's share price. Shortly thereafter, Byrne went on CNBC to start naming additional names, most of them journalists, who he alleged are in collusion in the matter. Yesterday, he squared off against analyst, hedge-fund manager, and outspoken market blogger Jeff Matthews in the greatest 15 minutes of television I've seen in the past year.

Today, Rocker fired back a countersuit. To be frank, things have gotten ugly.

In fact, since I penned my thoughts on the matter, "Bob O'Brien," the anonymous Rasputin in this sordid affair, promoted little ol' me to junior member in this vast scheme. Conspiracy fans will no doubt be excited to learn that my mother's family name is Eisinger, though I'm pretty sure I'm not related to Jesse Eisinger, the Wall Street Journal writer who's high on Bob's (and Byrne's) enemies list. Though I'm flattered to have joined the ranks of Bob's big baddies, I find the insinuation that I'm on the take from hedge funds to be both hilarious and sad. I mean, I drive a beat-up truck with those wood things sticking up in the back, eat leftovers for lunch, and wear pants from Target, for crying out loud. Obviously, they're sending those checks to the wrong Seth Jayson.

The real truth is that I've got little to gain and -- if my employers weren't stand-up folks -- plenty to lose by criticizing Byrne and Overstock. People I trust and admire count themselves as friends of the CEO. And Overstock happens to be one of only two companies that has been recommended by two of our newsletters: Motley Fool Hidden Gems and Motley Fool Rule Breakers. But the Fool strives to be motley for a reason, and our coverage of Byrne and Overstock has been consistently positive (maybe too positive) until now. I figure someone needs to play Sith-Lord's advocate, and since I'm a former shareholder whose opinion was swayed 180 degrees solely by Byrne's increasingly alarming behavior, I've taken the role.

Give and take
After my article, Byrne requested a chance to respond to my comments on our pages. We agreed to an interview, but he requested that any give-and-take occur via email. I thought it would be more fun (and save space) to do it this way, which is pretty close. I'll ask some questions that interest my colleagues (some of whom are still long on Overstock) and me. Readers can offer their opinions on our boards, and I'll post Byrne's answers, which he can send by clicking the email link in my name at the bottom of the article.

All I'll ask of Dr. Byrne is that he try to limit his answers to 300 words per question and not read from his script on Regulation SHO. He's had ample opportunity to disseminate his opinion on that in his recent interviews and press conferences, so we don't need to rehash it all here.

The questions
Dr. Byrne:

How can investors be sure that this entire drama isn't just the result of a colossal clash of egos?

You alleged last Friday on CNBC that Herb Greenberg -- among other journalists -- is actively participating in this conspiracy in order to help Rocker and others front-run or otherwise trade illegally in your stock. What, exactly, do you claim is the motivation for the alleged conspiring journalists?

You said on CNBC last Friday that the only evidence you have in this case is affidavits given by people who claim to have previously been involved in the scheme. In yesterday's CNBC interview, you read from an affidavit which said, "it appeared" that the players in the conspiracy were orchestrating attacks on you. Is that the strongest evidence you've got?

Why should anyone, in the public or the courtroom, trust the statements of people who were (or are) involved in perpetrating the very same stock scam that you're protesting?

How much is this litigation going to cost Overstock shareholders, including the money needed to defend against the lawsuits that have already begun to come your way?

Let's be honest. You know more than one billionaire, and you say that you, family, and friends already own an enormous piece of Overstock. Why not just avoid the hassles of the public market, give shareholders the $77-ish per share that your lawsuit suggests the stock is worth, and take it private?

You claim there is a "Sith Lord" controlling your stock price. It would seem to me that rather than trying to short Overstock straight into the ground, a clever Sith Lord would do better to let the stock rise at some point, and play both sides of the action. Have you any evidence that your stock's big rise in late 2004, or any subsequent pop, could have been orchestrated by the Sith Lord, prior to taking his short position?

Your lawsuit claims that the Sith Lord's conspiracy is directly responsible for the fall in your stock's price. Yet other heavily shorted stocks that appear on the Reg SHO list, such as Netflix (Nasdaq: NFLX), NetEase (Nasdaq: NTES), True Religion (Nasdaq: TRLG), and Shanda (Nasdaq: SNDA) are doing just fine, as you can see from this chart. How do these companies resist the power of the Sith, and why can't Overstock do the same?

For better or worse, you have become a controversial figure because of the naked short issue. Would Overstock shareholders be better served if you stepped down as CEO but remained as chairman of the board?

What do your many family members, friends, and mentors like Warren Buffett -- who have achieved business success in their own right -- think of this effort?

There's been a lot of controversy regarding your relationship with "Bob O'Brien," a man who hides behind a pseudonym and issues vicious, unsupported attacks against anyone who disagrees with him. Do you think your shareholders would be better served if you distanced yourself from him and his organization, which you have helped to fund?

Fast-forward a year. You've won damages of $500 million in this case. Do you track down all past shareholders from the period of the alleged damages and pay them for their losses? Do you pay it to current shareholders as a special dividend?
For related Foolishness:

I still say that the recent events make Overstock look like a good short.
The kind of drama is part of the reason Bill Mann will never miss the Overstock call.
Crazy idea: maybe "others" aren't to blame.

At the time of publication, Seth Jayson had no positions in any company mentioned here. View his stock holdings and Fool profile here. Netflix is a Motley Fool Stock Advisor pick. Netease and Shanda are Rule Breakers picks. Fool rules are here.



To: Jeffrey S. Mitchell who wrote (92278)8/19/2005 2:43:35 PM
From: scion  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 122087
 
The Five Dumbest Things on Wall Street This Week
By Colin Barr
Companies Editor
8/19/2005 7:02 AM EDT
URL: thestreet.com

Byrne, Baby, Byrne
Over the stock


1. Third-Degree Byrne
Overstock.com (OSTK:Nasdaq) chief Patrick Byrne is building himself quite a case.

The founder of the Salt Lake City-based online retailer claims short-sellers and many, many others are conspiring to drive down the price of Overstock shares. This despite the fact that Overstock shares traded this week at 170 times 2006 earnings estimates.

On last Friday's conference call describing his pending lawsuit against short-sellers, Byrne warned listeners that he wanted to "get something off my chest." He went on to describe a wide-ranging plot involving hedge fund Rocker Partners. Rocker -- which owns 8% of TheStreet.com (TSCM:Nasdaq) , the publisher of this Web site -- denies Overstock's claims and vows to countersue. Others named in Byrne's massive scheme range from TheStreet.com and The Wall Street Journal to Eliot Spitzer and private equity investor Leon Black.

The conspiracy evidently reaches even into Washington, where certain unnamed people apparently are trying to get Byrne jailed. As Byrne said in a particularly lucid moment last Friday:

DOJ, my understanding is, and I don't know this for a fact, my understanding is that was tried in May about me and that some people tried -- it turned out that I do travel to strange parts of the world, Saudi Arabia and Iran and places like that. And somebody just, you know, it's very easy to get people's credit card records. And I'm open about it anyway. And they turned that into a white paper that said Byrne is tied up Al-Qaeda and terrorism and money laundering and you ought to look at this guy. And it was essentially laughed, to my understanding, that that was just laughed out of the office at the Department of Justice. So ... and I think there are a much more independent command than I think for example the SEC -- is much more independent and immune from political pressure. So I don't mean to criticize anyone there.

No offense taken. When you've got this many enemies, no one can blame you for getting a little worked up. Take another Byrne comment Friday:

As this went on I started realizing that there was actually some more orchestration here being provided, by what I'm calling here is the Sith Lord or the mastermind. Now, can I tell you who that designated bottom feeder was who was supposed to end up with our company? Can I tell you? I can. But I'm not going to today. The Sith Lord is, can I tell you who that is? Well, I could tell you it's a name that everybody on the phone, every single person on the phone would recognize this person's name. He's one of the master criminals from the 1980s, and he's back in business. But I'm not going to. I'll just call him the master mind today.

If you didn't know any better you might think Byrne himself had "lined his hat with tinfoil," as he said of an ally in his fight against so-called naked shorts. But despite the endless tirades and the lawsuit, Byrne fashions himself a "value guy."

I also want to say I'm a value guy to my toes and I could not be more indifferent to my stock price. I agree that CEOs who spend time worrying about shorts or obsessing about shorts are fools. And that most of the CEOs who tangle with shorts are crooks. I think shorting plays a healthy role in a normal market. But I'm going to describe a set of events and I think that the reasonable listener is going to say, "You know, if that's really what's going on, you're right to do something about it."

Yes, the more we hear of Patrick Byrne, the more we're reminded of Warren Buffett.

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