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To: Orcastraiter who wrote (697397)	8/19/2005 4:12:41 PM
From: steve harris	Respond to of 769667

Orca, anything in the New Testament about 1500000 unborn children slaughtered each year through abortion?

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (697397)	8/19/2005 4:27:35 PM
From: DizzyG	Respond to of 769667

Nice try, but no banana for you Orca... Here is what you stated in your post: post the part of the bible that justifies killing innocents. Note that you mentioned NOTHING about new or old testament. Thanks for playing, we do have some nice parting gifts. :) Diz-

To: Orcastraiter who wrote (697397)	8/19/2005 4:46:31 PM
From: goldworldnet	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

God of the old and new testament are the same, however you are correct that Jesus does not broach the subject of Christians making war. John did write this in Revelation 19:11-16 though. I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter." He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS. This is Augustine's take on the matter of war. Qualified Participation (The Just War Doctrine): The most longstanding and widespread attempt to resolve the paradox follows the tradition of the "Just War" doctrine. The "Just War" doctrine was first developed by Augustine (354-430), who became Bishop of Hippo. Until his conversion to Christianity, Augustine was steeped in pagan philosophy, especially neo-platonism and Manichaeism. Against the attack by pagan philosophers that the sack of Rome was due to the moral corruption of Christianity, Augustine penned his famous defense, The City of God. In it, Augustine was the first to articulate the notion of the type of war Christians can participate in. Essentially, he wrote that for a Christian to participate in a war, that war had to be deemed as just. Perhaps the best summary statement of Augustine's development of the "Just War" principles is the following: The just war is to be fought under the authority of the state, and is to limit its goals to the restoration of justice or the preservation of peace. Moreover, the just war ... in order to be just ... must be a last resort, entered into only after all methods of solving disputes non-violently have been exhausted. Further, the just war must be fought justly, that is, with special care taken to protect non-combatants, and with the level of violence strictly limited to the minimum necessary to accomplish the goal of justice, that is, the restoration of peace or the preservation of justice.{15} leaderu.com * * *