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To: RetiredNow who wrote (246664)	8/19/2005 6:05:11 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1570270

Of course you don't. Wait until you are a manager of a team of people, tejek. I have a pretty well managed team, if I don't say so myself. I also have a couple of superstars on my team who I trust. But every now and then, they'll tell me versions of the truth on an issue that doesn't pass muster. Sometimes I catch it, sometimes I don't. MOST of the time, I have to rely on what my team tells me, because I simply don't have time to double check every minor detail of their work. Now since my team is really good, they make me look good. But when they screw up and I report on bad data, guess who looks bad? Me. That's the life of a manager. Excuse me. Don't tell what I have been and haven't been. I was a VP by the time I was 27 with 30 people working under me. I know the games people play. That's not what we have here. Powell and Bush are managers. I think Bush in particular is a very crappy manager, but I actually have quite a bit of respect for Powell. Powell was arrogant. He thought he could control and direct the Bushies. He thought disposing Saddam was the right way to go. He was terribly wrong. Many people relied on his judgement because they thought he was the only rational, seasoned person in the WH. They thought Powell was a man of integrity. Instead, he allowed himself to be duped and in the process, betrayed his nation. Apparently, you were duped as well. He wouldn't lie just because his superior told him to. If Powell reported on something, then it was because he believed it to be true. In fact, the State Dept warned Powell what he was going to say was not true: "And according to memos released by the Senate Intelligence Committee, the State Department also warned Powell not to use the aluminum tubes hypothesis in the days before his February 2003 U.N. speech. He refused and used the aluminum tubes claim anyway." <snip> "In the fall of 2002, the CIA told administration officials not to include this uranium assertion in presidential speeches. Specifically, the agency sent two memos to the White House and Tenet personally called top national security officials imploring them not to use the claim. While the warnings forced the White House to remove a uranium reference from an October 2002 presidential address, they did not stop the charge from being included in the 2003 State of the Union." <snip> "Bush also neglected to point out that in early October 2002, the administration’s top military experts told the White House they “sharply disputed the notion that Iraq’s Unmanned Aerial Vehicles were being designed as attack weapons.” Specifically, the Air Force’s National Air and Space Intelligence Center correctly showed the drones in question were too heavy to be used to deploy chemical/biological-weapons spray devices. Regardless, the chemical/biological weapons claims from the administration continued to escalate. Powell told the United Nations on February 5, 2003, “There can be no doubt that Saddam Hussein has biological weapons and the capability to rapidly produce more, many more.” As proof, he cited aerial images of a supposed decontamination vehicle circling a suspected weapons site. According to newly released documents in the Senate Intelligence Committee report, Powell’s own top intelligence experts told him not to make such claims about the photographs. They said the vehicles were likely water trucks. He ignored their warnings." <snip> "On the morning of February 5, 2003, the same day Powell delivered his U.N. speech, British intelligence leaked a comprehensive report finding no substantial links between Iraq and al Qaeda. The BBC reported that British intelligence officials maintained “any fledgling relationship [between Iraq and al Qaeda] foundered due to mistrust and incompatible ideologies.” Powell, nonetheless, stood before the United Nations and claimed there was a “sinister nexus between Iraq and the al Qaeda.” A month later, Rice backed him up, saying al Qaeda “clearly has had links to the Iraqis.” And in his March 17, 2003, speech on the eve of war, Bush justified the invasion by citing the fully discredited Iraq-al Qaeda link." inthesetimes.com They told Tenet on the other hand, smells like a rat and I believe he is one. He floats with the wind and I bet he had quite a bit to do with the questionable intelligence passed upwards. He's more of a politico than what we need in our Director of Intelligence. BS. Briefly said, Wilkerson is full of it. He is trying to cover his ass. Anyway, believe what you want. You read the above report from the 9/11 Commission in full and then I dare you to say that to me again. The bunch of them are irresponsible, arrogant liars who betrayed their country. They should be tried for treason.

To: RetiredNow who wrote (246664)	8/19/2005 7:18:51 PM
From: RetiredNow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1570270

Saudi: Radical Islam worse than Nazism Saudi journalist says terror groups should be treated as Nazis, total war should be declared on extremist Islamic Ideology By Roee Nahmias Courageous words: Not everyone in the Arab world praises Osama Bin Laden and terror groups as heroes. Indeed, some Arabs have issues scathing attacks on radical Islamic groups and they manner in which they interpret Islam. The criticism leveled at extremists by Saudi journalist Muhammad al al-Sheikh, however, is unusual in its harshness. In two pieces published in Saudi newspaper al-Jazeera, and presented courtesy of the Middle East Media Research Institute, al-Sheikh charged radical Islamists hold a similar, and even worse, ideology than radical Islam, and should be treated as Europeans coped with Nazism. The first article was published in July 10, following the release of an extremist spiritual leader from prison. The release raises many questions, al-Sheikh said. “The man is one of the forefathers of terrorism and he is the one who raised, through his books and radical interpretations, many of those belonging to terror groups.” “They say a Jordanian court acquitted him of charges that include the blowing up of American facilities…however, this dangerous terrorist did something much worse: he seized upon the down-and-out situation of many Muslim youths today in order to perpetuate violence, murder and destruction forever. In order to plant deep roots for the idea of suicide and to incite kids to commit suicide." “This is the root of the problem,” said al-Sheikh. ‘Hating the other’ According to al-Sheikh, “eradicating terror will only be possible by doing away with the ideas that come from our society. A military solution is not enough,” he said. “We must treat modern Jihad parties just as the Europeans treated Naziism," he added. “The ideas of radical Islam are similar to the ideas that drove the Nazi ideology. If the economic freeze and national depression in 1930 led to the emergency to murderous Nazism, we can say that the economic and cultural failure that grip Arab and Muslim countries today, together with the frustration of many Muslims, are once again driving this murderous philosophy." Similarly, the common denominator is hatred and physical elimination of the other, al-Sheikh said “I still believe that one of the first tasks for the international community today should be to reconstruct its experience with Nazism and cope with this barbaric, dangerous culture as it did with the Nazi culture,” al-Sheikh wrote. “If this isn’t done, the coming days could be very eventful and their implications for the whole of humanity would be much more severe than those of the World War,” he concluded somberly..