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To: Lane3 who wrote (133552)	8/21/2005 8:46:59 PM
From: JohnM	Respond to of 793759

Karen, Thanks for the wiki stuff on patriotism. I'll keep it in mind. I must say the definition I'm looking for has the necessity for vigorous dissent at its very core. Perhaps it will turn up.

To: Lane3 who wrote (133552)	8/21/2005 8:59:50 PM
From: Tom Clarke	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793759

The distinction between patriotism and nationalism may be getting blurred. John Lukacs explains the difference in his latest book, Democracy and Populism. An excerpt: >>>When Samuel Johnson uttered his famous dictum that "patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel," he meant nationalism, but that word did not yet exist. Patriotism is defensive, nationalism is aggressive. Patriotism is the love of a particular land with its particular traditions; nationalism is the love of something less tangible, of the myth of a "people," and is often a political and ideological substitute for religion. Patriotism is old-fashioned, nationalism is modern and populist. A patriot is not necessarily a conservative, he may even be a liberal of sorts. In the twentieth century, a nationalist could hardly be liberal.