To: jttmab who wrote (19013 ) 8/23/2005 3:47:45 PM From: 49thMIMOMander Respond to of 20773 "getting rid of the electoral college" Proportional representation, multi-party systems should usually start from the "local level", states, counties, etc.. The President, IMO, must be elected through something else but a PR-multi-party system as there can be only one president, although term-limited. (although US too originally thought of the possibility to have a president from one party and a vice-president from the other, kind of co-habitation, as it is called in France, but president vs prime minister). The US Senate must, IMO, be the "check and balance" on the president and the house, slighty longer terms, changing more slowly, etc, a more "conservative" insitution (in the real conservative sense). Additionally those extra 2 presidential votes per state is one of the smartest, and only??, minority protection mechanisms USA has. (ref filibusters, more than 50% majorities,etc). The US-tradegy(dilemma) is that, this time in history, no checks and balances are functional (not even the Supreme Court using the constitution). That is, it seems "the change" has to start from the states and the really local elections, governors, mayors,etc??? PS presidential-elections: most modern states use a ?? whatever-it-is-called, run-up system??. That is, - in the first round, lots of candidates. - if nobody gets 50% of the (popular) votes, the two with the most go to the final. This ensures a more than 50% majority support for the president, gets rid of the funniest candidates although they are allowed to be in the race, speak their mind,etc.. However, in a "true 2-party-system" like USA, this would not really work, campaign finance, access to ballots,etc.. That is, one description for the US system has been "catch-22" (while UK is almost there and Canada might get going soon, ref British Columbia)