To: Rock_nj who wrote (11471 ) 8/22/2005 7:36:59 AM From: sea_urchin Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039 Rock_nj > If Bush really wanted to save lives he could do many things to make our society safer. He's interested in profits not lives. Lives are only a vehicle to profit used by these vultures. Are the Democrats any better, especially the leaders like Mrs Clinton and Lieberman?washingtonpost.com >>Democrats say a long-standing rift in the party over the Iraq war has grown increasingly raw in recent days, as stay-the-course elected leaders who voted for the war three years ago confront rising impatience from activists and strategists *** who want to challenge President Bush aggressively to withdraw troops. Amid rising casualties and falling public support for the war, Democrats of all stripes have grown more vocal this summer in criticizing Bush's handling of the war. A growing chorus of Democrats, however, has said this criticism should be harnessed to a consistent message and alternative policy -- something most Democratic lawmakers have refused to offer. The wariness, congressional aides and outside strategists said in interviews last week, reflects a belief among some in the opposition that proposals to force troop drawdowns or otherwise limit Bush's options would be perceived by many voters as defeatist. Some operatives fear such moves would exacerbate the party's traditional vulnerability on national security issues. The internal schism has become all the more evident in recent weeks even as Americans have soured on Bush and the war in poll after poll. Senate Democrats, according to aides, convened a private meeting in late June to develop a cohesive stance on the war and debated every option -- only to break up with no consensus.<< *** in other words, trouble makers.