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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (65640)8/22/2005 6:47:47 AM
From: lorneRespond to of 81568
 
chinu. you said...."So you think that Christians have never hated and persecuted the Jews?"....

Why in hell do you make up this foolish crap. Do you have difficulty comprehending what you are reading?

SHOW me where I said Christians have never hated or persecuted Jews or others for that matter.... I have told you many times I favor NO organized religions all of them a guilty of atrocities at some point in their history. The point is that most of them have grown out of their violence and have modernized their beliefs to fit the times. islam for the most part has NOT moved ahead with the times they still cling to their violent past.

IMO most if not all wars are the result of religious violence... my god is better that your god...my paradise is better than your paradise...my god is the real god your god is not...... thousands of years old thinking and still the cause of so much death to day. Hey some religions still want to dress as they did thousands of years ago. PROPER EDUCATION REQUIRED.



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (65640)8/22/2005 7:22:59 AM
From: lorneRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Terror allegations prompt debate about inmate religious meetings
By DON THOMPSON, Associated Press Writer

Saturday, August 20, 2005

(08-20) 00:04 PDT SACRAMENTO, (AP) --
sfgate.com

The recent arrest of a prison parolee in Southern California illustrates a potential terrorism danger that federal officials have been warning about for months — that inmates in state prison systems are particularly susceptible to radical Islamist ideology.

Prison officials across the nation say they so far have seen more potential for recruitment than real threats, but said they have been monitoring Muslim groups since the 2001 terrorist attacks.

Authorities suspect the parolee, who was arrested by local police on charges unrelated to terrorism, is connected to two other men in a possible terrorist plot against Jewish and National Guard sites. Authorities said they believe the plan originated in a shadowy group known as Jamiyyat Ul Islam Is Saheeh in California State Prison, Sacramento.

Counterterrorism officials said the danger is not in the number of adherents to radical Islam but in the potential for small groups of dedicated believers to commit terrorist acts once they are released.

They point to Jose Padilla, an American Muslim convert arrested in 2002 after authorities say he planned a "dirty bomb" radiological attack after he left jail, and Richard Reid, who was convicted of attempting to blow up an American Airlines flight in 2001 with a shoe bomb.

"Nothing I have suggests there is a widespread Al Qaida recruitment movement within the prison system, but all you need is three or four to conduct an attack," said Gary Winuk, chief deputy director of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's Office of Homeland Security.

Prison officials nationwide "are all sort of hearing the chatter" about efforts to recruit inmates to extremist ideologies, said Martin Horn, commissioner of the New York City Department of Corrections. The department, he said, was "seeing evidence of efforts" by Islamic groups to recruit, but he declined to elaborate.

The state and city recently set up a Corrections Intelligence Fusion Center at Rikers Island to track problems, similar to another cooperative effort under way in the Washington, D.C., area: "At this point, it's primarily precautionary," Horn said.

Prison officials in other states, including Pennsylvania and Ohio, where Muslim inmates helped spark an 11-day fatal riot in 1993, said they have seen no signs of recruiting.

Federal antiterrorism experts said prison officials may be seeing few problems because the radicalized groups keep relatively quiet while they are incarcerated. Concern grows once they are released and their movements are no longer closely watched.

The U.S. Department of Justice's inspector general, in an April 2004 report, found that the federal Bureau of Prisons was doing inadequate background or ideology checks on its Muslim clerics. It also found that inmates and religious volunteers had "ample opportunity ... to deliver inappropriate and extremist messages without supervision."

Federal prisons rely heavily on volunteers or contractors recruited by Islamic groups for religious services because there is a shortage of full-time clerics, the report said.

The federal system has about 9,000 inmates, or 6 percent of the prison population, seeking Islamic religious services. California doesn't keep track of inmates by religion.

Groups with domestic or foreign terrorism ties have been a prison phenomenon for decades, said Steven L. Pomerantz, a former FBI assistant director and counterterrorism chief who lives in suburban Washington, D.C.

He said there was "no question ... we have a problem with militant Islam and its spread into the American prison system."

The Southern California case arose after 25-year-old Levar Haley Washington and another man were arrested July 5 by police in Torrance, a suburb southwest of Los Angeles, for investigation of robbing gas stations.

Authorities have said they suspect a list found in Washington's Los Angeles apartment contained potential terrorist targets, although Washington has not been charged with a terrorism-related crime.

The list included National Guard recruiting stations, synagogues and the Israeli Consulate.

Washington converted to Islam in the Sacramento-area prison before his Nov. 29 parole.

A message left after hours Friday for Washington's public defender, Jerome Haig, was not immediately returned.

Counterintelligence officials said California prisons are particularly troublesome because of their large and diverse populations. On Monday, two FBI agents from Washington, D.C., met with California prison wardens and warned about what they described as a growing national threat of Muslim extremism, said state prison and Homeland Security officials.

In California, inmates adhering to a radical brand of Islam are in every prison, officials said. But they said the problem pales compared to the danger posed by more established prison gangs such as the Mexican Mafia and Aryan Nation.

Chaplains' clerks or other inmates lead some religious ceremonies and sometimes preach a much more inflammatory version of Islam, said Lance Corcoran, executive vice president of the California Correctional Peace Officers Association.

"Oftentimes they become offshoots, and that's where the problem is," Corcoran said. Yet, "I find most Muslim inmates to be very respectful, to be very easy to deal with. We haven't seen that much militant behavior among the inmates in our system."

Shakeel Syed, a contract chaplain with the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, disputed the idea that prisons are producing Islamic militants. He joined representatives of Muslim groups Friday at a news conference in Los Angeles to say that chaplains can be part of the solution by steering inmates away from radical ideology.

"Those of us who are on the front lines battling extremism are not being utilized by law enforcement," said Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council.

The California prison system has 30 full- and part-time Muslim chaplains, civil service employees who undergo background checks and are required to adhere to mainstream Islam, said Terry Thornton, spokeswoman for the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.

Translators are called in if prison officials have suspicions, but department spokesman J.P. Tremblay said it is up to prison chaplains to make sure religious activities remain focused on spiritual issues.

The American Correctional Association is helping prison systems and county jails across the country establish ways to monitor inmates' religious activities while they are incarcerated, a process that started before the 2001 attacks.

"Within the prison system, while they can be recruited, they have a limited ability to do anything," said Joe Weedon, the organization's director of government affairs. The concern, he said, is what those inmates do once they're released.



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (65640)8/22/2005 8:27:24 AM
From: RichnorthRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 81568
 
Here is an interesting opinion:-

When the Iraq war won't stay at bay
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Opinion, Aug. 21 by Andrew Johnson, Toronto

I find extremely sad and disturbing that it is the parents of those who have gone to fight in Iraq who are protesting the war. In the 1960s, it was young people predominantly protesting the war in Vietnam.

Yet, for all the blatant disregard for the truth and international law demonstrated by the George W. Bush administration, the youth of today, for the most part, do not even bother to put up much of a fight. Yes, there have been days of protests by the disenfranchised, but they did not even bother to vote on election day, despite the best efforts of a 50-year old filmmaker (Michael Moore) and a 55-year- old rock star (Bruce Springsteen) to oust the most extremist president of any generation.

The youth of today are too self-interested and unmotivated to dictate change and would rather be dictated to by out-of-touch leaders who superficially make attempts to reach out to those 30 and under. The youth of today must take it upon themselves to take charge of the future.

Stop letting leaders tell us what we need and demand that they give us what we really need. Let's start with affordable education, efficient health care, decent jobs and a habitable en vironment. Our "leaders" will not take our voices seriously until they have to actually listen, which will take place on election day. A few protests that are easily contained go unnoticed because leaders know we won't vote them out. It's our lives and the lives of young Americans who are dying on the battlefields, so it is time to go to the hometown trenches and demand accountability and a change.



To: ChinuSFO who wrote (65640)8/22/2005 8:36:40 AM
From: RichnorthRespond to of 81568
 
In recent days, the Pope was attempting a reconciliation with Judaism:

Benedict warns of growing secularism
Do-it-yourself faith `cannot help us,' pontiff says

Shares concern on hatred, terror with Jews, Muslims

MELISSA EDDY
ASSOCIATED PRESS

COLOGNE, Germany—Pope Benedict XVI triumphantly ended his four-day trip to Germany yesterday with an open-air mass for a million people and a warning to Europe against growing secularism and "do-it-yourself" religion.

A synagogue visit in which he won applause for his alarm about rising anti-Semitism and a frank talk with Muslims about terrorism made interfaith relations a key theme of his first foreign travel as pope.

In his closing homily at mass, Benedict described for the 20th World Youth Day festival in Cologne, Germany, a "strange forgetfulness of God," paralleled by a sense of frustration and dissatisfaction that has led to a "new explosion of religion.

"I have no wish to discredit all the manifestations of this phenomenon," he said. "Yet, if it is pushed too far, religion becomes almost a consumer product. People choose what they like, and some are even able to make a profit from it. But religion constructed on a `do-it-yourself' basis cannot ultimately help us."

The throngs from close to 200 countries had been invited to the festival by a different pope, the charismatic John Paul II, before his death April 2.

But they embraced his 78-year-old, more subdued successor with the same huge turnout, shouts and applause.

"Beeen-e-DET-to, Beeen-e-DET-to," they chanted, using the Italian version of his name. An estimated 800,000 spent the night in Marienfeld (Mary's Field) outside Cologne, sleeping on the ground to secure a place at yesterday's mass. Flags from dozens of countries floated over the crowd.

Benedict returned to Rome last night by airplane. During the flight, he posed for photos with German journalists.

Benedict used his trip to make it clear that he intends to continue John Paul II's lead in key areas. Notably, he held two important interfaith meetings with Muslims and Jews.

He became only the second pope in history to visit a synagogue when he spoke to Cologne's Jewish community, winning a standing ovation for his warning of rising anti-Semitism and call for deeper dialogue.

The Catholic leader made blunt statements at a meeting with Muslim officials. Raising the issue of terrorism, which he called "cruel fanaticism," he urged older Muslims to educate the young generation in the ways of peace.

It was clear he was establishing his own style. There were none of John Paul II's theatrical gestures such as kissing the ground on arrival or shuffling to the music. Instead, Benedict read his speeches slowly in a soft voice and waved and smiled shyly at the loud applause that greeted him every time he came out in public.

Also, he did not remind his youthful audience of the Roman Catholic Church's bans on premarital sex and the use of condoms and other forms of artificial birth control, favourite topics of John Paul II.

He made no promise to attend the next World Youth Day in Sydney, Australia, in 2008, either.

John Paul II would always end World Youth Day, the festival he founded in 1984, by saying he would come to the next one.

Benedict expressed serious concern on another of his favourite themes, the need to evangelize a Europe that has become increasingly secular despite its centuries of Christian belief — although the huge turnout for mass yesterday was evidence that the church retains its hold over many people.

"Even in traditionally Catholic areas, the teaching of religion and catechesis do not always manage to forge lasting bonds between young people and the church community," he told German bishops shortly before his departure.

At the mass, he urged the church's next generation to use wisely the freedom God gives them. "Freedom is not simply about enjoying life in total autonomy, but rather about living by the measure of truth and goodness so that we ourselves can become true and good."

He urged people not to forget Sunday mass when they returned to their home countries: "If you make the effort, you will realize that this is what gives a proper focus to your free time.'

Benedict's visit was also his first as pope to his native country. He was born in Marktl Am Inn in Bavaria. In his farewell remarks at the airport, he said that he hoped people had seen another Germany to counter the shameful memory of Nazi rule and World War II.