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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (133678)8/22/2005 10:09:51 AM
From: MrLucky  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793640
 
I think you should trust the wisdom of men like Hagel.

Guess I trust hagel as much as you trust our military leaders and their reporting of the facts. :-) Ed, My issue isn't: Who has the most and best relevant military experience? My issue is with politicians that use sound bites to advance their careers. He is doing it just like kerry and, this morning edwards, have done. It is okay to have opinions. We all do. Leadership needs to provide more than an opinion. Justification and rationale are essential if they expect their opinions to be accepted.
As far as Iraq is concerned and whether it will fall apart after we leave. Who knows. The Bush effort is to give them a chance at a form of democracy. Obviously, it won't come easy since those people have distrusted and killed each other for centuries. Finally, please don't mistake my opinion of hagel for the value I place on our troops. It pains me greatly when I look at the DOD press releases. It also tells me that each generation of Americans has been willing to stand up for their country.



To: cnyndwllr who wrote (133678)8/22/2005 12:07:21 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793640
 
insurgency. He understands the spin the military leaders, (not the men,) put on things to make their "mission" seem successful and themselves look competent, he knows that you can't kill enemy men you can't identify, he knows that once an insurgency becomes entrenched it doesn't get better and that the longer it goes on, the worse it gets.

Curious how what I hear from you and the left about an entrenched insurgency is completely disconnected from what I hear from the soldiers about an insurgency with very limited popularity, an insurgency that is so obnoxious to what should be its base of support that it gets kicked out of towns like Ramadi in red-on-red battles, an insurgency that is so desperate to stop the elections which even Sunni clerics now support that it has started to kill Sunnis as well as Shia and Kurds in an effort to prevent them.

The left is lifting tropes from Vietnam without much regard to what is going on on the ground. If there is fighting, it's proof enough that this is another Vietnam. Seems to be the rule for most of the MSM too, who wouldn't know strategic analysis if it bit them on the ass, so they just sit in their hotel rooms and report body counts.