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To: Peter Dierks who wrote (697741)	8/23/2005 3:05:41 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

[The main question remaining is how significantly Iran and Saudi Arabia will become involved in the civil war.] "Munitions with charges shaped for damage with Iranian pedigree are turning up in Iraq." Yes, I know. (Also hordes of Iranian Intelligence agents and 'military trainers', especially since the Shi'a-dominated national Iraqi government signed a military defense pact with Iran....) "Iran appears to have an active effort to destabilize Iraq." Nah, they are not trying to 'destabilize' it, they are SUPPORTING the Shi'a by opposing the Sunni insurgents who have been specifically TARGETING Shi'a communities. Most of the jihadists are Sunni. "It appears they believe a destabilized Iraq will prevent US action against them." Nah... there will be no US military action against them. (Hell, like I've been saying here for a few years: the Iranians are the biggest winners from the Iraq war. At no cost to them, we took out their deadliest enemy, the Dictator Saddam, and opened the way for Iran to extend it's influence throughout all of the minority and majority Shi'a communities stretching around the Gulf. They have been grinning like Cheshire Cats ever since. Hell, they should put up a statue of George Bush in Tehran to thank us....) "The Saudi royal family is just trying to hang on to control. Who wouldn't want to stay outrageously wealthy?" I wasn't saying that the Royals were all that was behind the support for the Sunni insurgents (some are, some aren't). The financial support comes from many sectors of the society --- and, indeed, from other oil rich Sunni majority Gulf nations, too. Many of the jihadists are 'idealistic' young people, religiously feverent, recruited from poorer strata of society. "They will not be able to combat Wahabbi extremism even if they want to." Well... let's just say that after living the 'Devil's bargain' with fundamentalist extremism as they have for some 50 years... it WON'T be quickly turned around.

To: Peter Dierks who wrote (697741)	8/23/2005 3:20:29 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Iraq assembly gets charter draft, Sunnis irate By Alastair Macdonald 31 minutes ago news.yahoo.com Iraq's Shi'ite-led government on Tuesday ruled out any major change to a draft constitution that parliament looks set to pass this week in the teeth of minority Sunni objections that it could ignite civil war. "The draft that was submitted is approximately the draft that will be implemented," government spokesman Laith Kubba said after parliament received the text before a midnight deadline. The assembly put off a vote for three days to let tempers cool. Sunni leaders, who largely shunned a January election that gave Shi'ites and Kurds control of parliament, quickly indicated they would try to mobilize support for a "No" vote in the October referendum on the charter. The constitution will be rejected if two thirds of voters in three or more of Iraq's 18 provinces vote "No." The Sunnis are a clear majority in at least three provinces in the heartland of the insurgency: Anbar, Salaheddin and Nineveh. A Sunni delegation met Iraq's Independent Electoral Commission to discuss ways of ensuring participation in those three regions, the commission said in a statement. President Jalal Talabani, who has brought Iraqi leaders together for weeks in a bid to keep the political process on track and defuse a Sunni insurgency, renewed mediation efforts. A statement from his office said the Kurdish leader urged all Iraqi sects to unite on the issue of the constitution. But all sides held fast to their positions. The Shi'ite head of the parliamentary drafting committee again made clear he did not intend to reopen contentious clauses such as those on autonomous "federal" regions which Arab Sunnis say discriminate against them and could break up the state. Humam Hamoudi said the Sunni negotiators brought in from outside parliament were not representative and the assembly should now submit the draft to a referendum. U.S. diplomats, under pressure from Washington to keep Iraqi negotiators to a timetable laid down under American supervision last year, say they will go on working for a consensus that can draw the once-dominant Sunnis away from violent opposition. But one participant in the talks said a comprehensive deal would require a Sunni change of heart. "The only possible change now is that the Sunnis become convinced on federalism," said Jalal al-Din al-Sagheer, a Shi'ite cleric on the drafting team. Shi'ites and Kurds said they might offer minor concessions, but were ready to use their parliamentary muscle to push through the draft. SPECTRE OF CIVIL WAR "If it passes, there will be an uprising in the streets," Sunni negotiator Saleh al-Mutlak said after the brief sitting. "We will campaign ... to tell both Sunnis and Shi'ites to reject the constitution, which has elements that will lead to the break-up of Iraq and civil war," Soha Allawi, another Sunni on the drafting committee, told Reuters. Iraq's government hopes the constitution will divert more Sunnis from insurgency into peaceful politics. Fresh violence underlined what a tough challenge it is facing. A suicide bomber killed a U.S. soldier, an American contractor and four Iraqi security guards at a joint center in a town north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said in a statement. The attack in Baquba also wounded nine U.S. soldiers, four Iraqi police officers and six Iraqi civilians, the statement said. Such attacks have raised fears that insurgents are infiltrating the Iraqi military and security forces. The Baquba violence came after three car bombs exploded in quick succession near U.S. forces in Ramadi, west of Baghdad, in an apparently coordinated strike by insurgents, police and witnesses said. There was no immediate word on casualties. In Ad Dawr, close to Tikrit, Saddam Hussein's home town, hundreds of Sunnis demonstrated against the draft constitution. "Long live the honorable insurgency," the crowd yelled. Some Shi'ites, notably radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, also reject federalism. But government-run television showed wild rejoicing in the Shi'ite holy city of Najaf after news of the ruling coalition's plans to force through its charter. Secular Shi'ites, notably a party led by U.S.-backed former interim Prime Minister Iyad Allawi, have voiced doubts at the way the draft constitution is being pushed through parliament. The draft makes Islam "a main source" of law, in an apparent compromise between Islamist Shi'ites and secular Kurds. President George W. Bush, campaigning at home to quell mounting disquiet over the costly occupation of Iraq, said it was a key front in the "war on terror" and he would not bring troops home prematurely: "We will finish the task," he said. Copyright © 2005 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Copyright © 2005 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.