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To: Bill who wrote (107642)8/23/2005 8:47:45 AM
From: Oral Roberts  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 108807
 
I was going to say the same thing. How damn offensive can you be? Unbelievable.



To: Bill who wrote (107642)8/25/2005 1:48:28 AM
From: Grainne  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 108807
 
I'm not brainwashed at all. Do you automatically assume anyone who doesn't agree with your political belief system is brainwashed, incidentally?

I'll post some things I found on the web about brainwashed American soldiers, written by American soldiers. I don't make these things up! In order to take civilians and make them into killers, quite a lot of brainwashing is necessary:

Are American Soldiers and Marines Brainwashed? ... You Bet!
by James Glaser
April 28, 2004

And it isn't just American Soldiers and Marines, every nation has to brainwash their troops to some extent, in order to get them to kill on command.

I know, I became a United States Marine and to this day to some extent, I still am. Pride in the Marine Corps, respect and admiration for other Marines stays with you until you die.

At one time in this country, the Marines were the elite unit of our military. Marines were the "Devil Dogs" of our combat forces, but they were not enough. Other units were created so that we could have more "ask no question," units.

Now we have the Army Rangers, Navy Seals, Green Berets, Army Airborne, Marine Corps Recon, and now something called Special Operations which can be made up with members of some or all of these units, depending on the mission.

It isn't easy to get young Americans to throw away all of their parents teachings and have them learn how to hurt people. In Boot camp we yelled "KILL," 50 to a 100 times a day for weeks. Every bit of the training was designed so that you followed orders given without thinking or questioning them.

It is easy to have the troops defend themselves when they are attacked or fight when they are attacking another group of armed men. War is an adventure that men have been going on since before people could write.

The hard thing for the military to do is find a group of men and now women that will do things that go against everything they were taught growing up. How hard do you think it is for our Soldiers to kick in someone's door in the middle of the night, knowing that they will be confronted by scared crying children and that you will have to take those kid's father away? Think how hard it is that these young Americans can't speak the language and so the pleading of a young wife for her husband can only be understood by the inflection in her voice.

These soldiers really have no idea if they have the right man or even the right house. They have to rely on the interpreter and believe that he is telling them what the people are really saying. We learned in Vietnam that many times the interpreter had his own agenda and people suffered for some unknown reason.

How much training does it take before you can get your "Special" units to enter into civilian areas to wage war? There is the constant reminder of what you are doing, as nobody stops the war to pick up the dead children or their mothers.

What about the pilots that fire their weapons on homes that could and often do have whole families in them. How about the guys that are firing their artillery at targets in the middle of a city? Just a few meters off and they can be killing kids the same age as their own. The same goes for bad intelligence. Somebody says that a building is filled with terrorists and maybe it is, or maybe it is a school.

These special American units stand out from the rest of the Military and the men and women in them are filled with pride and will do anything asked of them. They have special hats and badges that make them stand out and regular soldiers look at them as the best.

The training to be in one of these units is tough and not everybody makes the grade. The training is tough and the indoctrination is tougher. These people not only believe in themselves and their unit, but they also believe anything their commanders tell them. Each unit knows that they are the best and it would be a real black mark for anyone to question authority.

A shiny brass insignia, colored ribbons and medals are all part of the indoctrination, as are the polished bloused combat boots and the how about those Dress Blue Marine uniforms with the red stripe down the leg and even a sword. Now is that cool or what, a sword

Pride in the unit and all of these accouterments are part of the brain washing needed to get someone to do things that go against their very nature. Kill enough or bleed enough and you will get one of those shiny medals and have your fellow soldier look at you with awe. Hollywood helps because the hero usually gets the pretty woman.

What happens when you leave the military environment? Your uniform means nothing and you will probably never wear it again. Those medals will sit in a drawer or be in a frame on the wall. No one will look at you with awe and that pride in the unit will fade.

You will however, remember all the things you did without question. Those innocent deaths and the cries of children will stick right with you. You will constantly remember those in your unit who gave their all or maybe their limbs.

You will look at the country you attacked and see that it hasn't changed or that maybe a whole new set of Americans are there again fighting. You will remember that they told you if you were not there, the place would turn into a blood bath. Now years later you see that after America left, the place turns to peace and becomes our trading partner.

Years later you realize that you and those you served with were used, so that some industrialists could sell a new weapons system or could continue to produce an old one. You have a drawer full of medals and a mind full of horror, while the politicians and the defense contractors have money in the bank and homes here and abroad.

It really is a shame that we do this brainwashing to our troops. Young men and women going into the military have nothing but good intentions and they are at that age where they respect and trust those drill instructors and the officers assigned to teach them. They really believe that they will be defending America.

Our troops go over to Iraq thinking that they are bringing freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people and some of them still believe that after they have been there for a year. It is only after coming home and getting out of uniform does the real story dawn on them. They are then no longer exposed to the military lifestyle and they no longer are getting that constant indoctrination from their superiors.

Every Veterans Hospital has a section devoted to helping those veterans who suffer from the actions they took while in uniform and it really is a crime to use these fine young Americans, who only want to serve their nation, so that some one can get rich or gain more power.


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To: Bill who wrote (107642)8/25/2005 1:51:50 AM
From: Grainne  Respond to of 108807
 
Natural-born killers will never win hearts and minds

July 7, 2004 | category: Recent Updates

Financial Times, June 26-27, 2004

CHARLES CLOVER

One of the more jarring memories from my experience covering the war in Iraq as a reporter “embedded” with US troops was of a young American soldier after a firefight in the streets of Najaf. During a shoot-out with a sniper, a blue Fiat raced into the the street, trying to escape. The soldier fired 15 rounds from his SAW (squad automatic weapon), killing the driver, who we found out was an unarmed university professor. An hour later, I heard the soldier complaining that his weapon had jammed, preventing him firing off more rounds. Meanwhile, fellow soldiers clustered around him, congratulating him on “busting his cherry” - making his first killing. It was riot clear at the time if he knew who he had killed and if it mattered.

I have always had difficulty understanding how someone like this, an American teenager who probably grew up in some suburb, like me, could have this attitude toward taking a life. I saw plenty more like him.

This group of young, violent Americans is the subject of one of the best books to come out of the Iraq war: Generation Kill by Evan Wright, who covered the war for Rolling Stone magazine as an embedded reporter with a US Marine reconnaissance battalion. One does not know quite how to categorise Generation Kill. It is not anti-war in its exposition, but the sum total of Wright’s observations lead to a harsh indictment of US conduct in Iraq. Like the generation it observes, the book has no moral compass, it is simply a grim ledger of conversations, . deeds and misdeeds - all recorded in an adrenaline rush of intelligent prose.

The title says it all: this is a book about the contemporaries of the Columbine high school massacre in Colorado, blitzing their way across Iraq to spearhead the US campaign last year. They “represent what is more or less America’s first generation of disposable children”, says Wright, who estimates that half his platoon are from absentee, single-parent homes: “Many are on more intimate terms with the culture of video games, reality TV shows and internet porn than they are with their own families.”

The core of Generation Kill questions the dark intersection of war-making and this generation’s obsession with violence - how the largely virtual world of America’s teens seamlessly transposes itself onto the battlefield. Early on, Wright records one of the soldiers enthusing “I was just thinking one thing when we drove into that ambush … Grand Theft Auto: Vice City”, referring to a popular computer game. “I felt like I was living it when I seen the flames coming out of the windows, and the blown-up car in the street, guys crawling around shooting at us. It was fucking cool.”

This generation will play a decisive role in America’s open-ended war on terror - for better or for worse. As Wright observes, the soldiers are so cynical they need no reason to do their grim jobs. Unlike the Vietnam generation for whom the war represented a loss of innocence, the

Iraq generation has no innocence to lose, they are a generation “for whom the big lie is as central to government as taxation”, according to Wright, and are perfectly happy to contemplate that the war is entirely a grab for oil.

Unlike the Vietnam generation, for whom the war meant loss of innocence, the Iraq generation has no innocence to lose

From my perch covering the US-led wars in Afghanistan and Iraq over the past two years, I have seen this group of socially maladjusted, heavily armed youths become America’s main international liability. Violent youth subculture in the US has long been a curiousity abroad, but it has now been driven to unprecedented levels of contact with an ancient civilisation which it does not understand, and which does not understand it. The result is grisly and tragic, and ultimately self-defeating for the US and its allies. More than anything, the decisive shift in Iraqi public opinion against the occupation in recent months has come about due to contact between Iraqis and these young men and women.

Rather than winning hearts and minds abroad, America’s military has become the most acute source of anti-American rage. It neatly symbolises the US national priority of producing missiles and aircraft carriers at the expense of education highlights the income inequality that has made mercenaries out of the poor.

The 374 men of the First Marine Recon battalion, in which Wright was embedded, epitomise the violent youth subculture. “We’ve been brainwashed and trained for combat. We must say ‘Kill!’ 3,000 times a day in boot camp. That’s why it’s so easy”, a soldier tells Wright.

Nathaniel Fick, a 25-year-old lieutenant and platoon leader, also explains the point. “In World War Two, when Marines hit the beaches, a surprisingly high percentage of them didn’t fire their weapons . . . Not these guys … These guys have no problem with killing.”

Amid the bravado are powerful however there are powerful moments of remorse. One sergeant who mistakenly ordered his turret-gunner to shoot at a civilian house has to confront the consequence: a critically injured 12 ?year-old boy and a sobbing mother. “A pilot doesn’t have to go down and look at the civilians his bombs have hit. Artillery men don’t see the effects of what they do. This is killing me inside,” admits the sergeant.

But, observes Write, this was not the first time anyone got caught at it: “This only happened because this time, the battalion stopped moving long enough for the innocent victims to catch up with it.”

‘Generation Kill’ is published by Bantam Press in the UK and by G.P. Putnam’s Sons in the US.

The writer, an FT news editor, was the FT’s Iraq correspondent in 2003-04.

vitw.org



To: Bill who wrote (107642)8/25/2005 2:19:19 AM
From: Grainne  Respond to of 108807
 
Double Think

The Bedrock of Marine Corps Indoctrination

By Chris White

I left college after a semester and a half, tried my hand at construction, waiting tables, pizza delivery, and security work, during which time I applied for several law enforcement positions, hoping to become a California Highway patrol officer, like my uncle. I soon enough reached the point of dissatisfaction with waiting to start my life, when my father submitted an off the cuff suggestion: "You could always join the Marines." The idea was that I could do that for four years and maybe gain the necessary credentials to become a police officer and to gain a foothold for myself that I had not attained up to that point. Without giving it second thought, I called the recruiting station and made an appointment to see about my options. They were very nice, but more than that, they were confident, young men, and not much older than myself (I was 20). The recruiter counseled me on the process of becoming a Marine. The purpose of this twelve-week indoctrination is to produce the most efficient, disciplined, and gallant, killing machine.

The drill instructors do this, said the recruiter, by removing my undesirable civilian traits, such as individuality and the inhibition against killing other human beings, and inserting Marine Corps traits, such as anti-individuality for the sake of a team work ethic, and, most importantly, the ability and even desire, to kill other human beings. My recruiter's military occupational specialty had been a sniper before entering this assignment, so he was quite candid with me on matter related to warfare.

As alluded to in "First to Fight Culture", civilians are molded into Marines through a logical, systematic process of intense mental and physical indoctrination. The goal of this is to produce troops capable of following orders with minimal agency of their own, efficiently enough to be utilized as a tool of the state, whether the Marine agrees with the orders or not. The latter part of this statement should beg the following questions: "If the war is just, why so much intense indoctrination? Shouldn't the average patriotic citizen naturally exhibit enough willingness to fight for his/her country if they feel the need to support a war in the first place?" I recognize that in order for the military to function, a certain level of combat and physical training is necessary, but the vast majority of boot camp is dedicated to mental indoctrination aimed at control by superiors, which leaves open the question of whether our foreign policy is indeed justifiable enough to motivate people to fight when it is necessary.

The process of boot camp seems simple enough to the outside observer. Go to boot camp, get trained to fight, defend the country from evildoers, be a hero fighting and/or dying for freedom. I submit that it is not that easy and that there are indeed millennia of war making philosophies from around the globe that inform our current military indoctrination, with the main aim, as we have seen throughout history, being offensive for the sake of expanded power, disguised as defense.

We need only look to the greatest militaries throughout history, such as those of the Greeks, the Romans, the Ottomans, the French, the English, the Portuguese, the Spanish, the Dutch, the Soviets, the Italians, the Germans, the Japanese, the Chinese, and even the Aztecs and the Incas, to see that the overwhelming purpose of state militaries has been to extend state power. During these wars, the populations were either convinced by the state that offensive battle would defend them from evildoers or they were forced to march in step to war by force, while the soldiers were given a more intense barrage of patriotism that justified state-sponsored killing, mixed with the instillation of gallantry or knightliness, as a virtue.

We live in a different time, with perhaps a more sophisticated system of military indoctrination (for civilian indoctrination through the corporate media, we have other sources of analysis, such as that of Chomsky, Herman, Zinn, Parenti, Cockburn, St. Clair, Said, and dozens of others). The entire philosophy of forming Marines rests on the concept of double-think, a la Orwell's 1984. This concept follows the rationale that if one can be convinced to accept two simultaneously contradictory concepts, the result is a controllable person. For example, Marines are trained, as have soldiers since time immemorial, to see themselves as knights in shining armor, whose sole purpose in life is to defend human life, while on the other hand, they are capable of committing, and indeed, are enchanted with the idea of committing, the highest level of atrocities against other human beings.

They called us "Natural Born Killers", after the Oliver Stone flick about two serial killers who exhibited a lust for killing at random. We would sing songs that relished in the possibility of killing and raping noncombatant women and children, watching kids burn alive from napalm, and luring school children to their deaths with candy. We answered every command with the word, "Kill!!" We watched military battle footage in fast forward with Metallica's "For Whom the Bell Tolls" (ironically, an anti-war song) in the background, all the while stomping our feet and screaming with blood lust.

My friends warned me prior to boot camp that I would be "brainwashed," a concept I feared, with ideas in my head about kidnap victims being mentally warped into submission. Boot camp was not like that at all. I felt little fear during my "brainwashing" (or, for our purposes here, my double-think indoctrination). The process is indeed gut wrenching for some, but for me (and most others, I believe), the mental process of submission was relatively painless. Boot camp is controlled chaos, with the all-powerful drill instructors at the helm. They control everything you do, from the order and speed of getting dressed, to the way you eat, sleep, and use the bathroom, to the way you walk, to the way you talk, to the way you sit, to the way you stand, to the way you worship, to the amount of water you drink, and so on, until you only do and think what is ordered of you, which usually comes in the form of shouts and shoves. At a certain point, you lose that nasty civilian trait of individuality mentioned by your recruiter, and you accept, nay, enjoy, the fact that you under their control. You signed on the dotted line, you came here of your own free will, it makes sense to go along to get along. It's as simple as that for most of us who joined, whereas many of those who didn't make it could not rid themselves of that burdensome consciousness that told them something wasn't right with this.

I submit my first experience as a Catholic as an example of the arbitrary nature of control exhibited over recruits by drill instructors, which serves the function of reinforcing submission to authority during indoctrination. I was not a Catholic before boot camp, and am not a Catholic now. In fact, I have never been religious, save for my twelve weeks of boot camp. This was not of my own volition, mind you, but the day came when the platoon was told divide into Catholics and Protestants (no room in our platoon for Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, or any other religion), and I was left standing by myself in the center of the squad bay. A muscular, ugly drill instructor with horrid breath charged at me and yelled, "What the fuck is your religion, White?!!" "This recruit is not religious, sir!" I responded. "Is that right? No wonder you're so fucked up (He had selected me as the platoon leader, or, "guide", two days before)! You know what?! You're a fucking Catholic! Now get your fucked up ass over there right now!" Military explicitly states that you can exercise whatever religion you choose, and if you are not religious, you can spend your hour of worship in the squad bay. That did not exist in our platoon, and although I have met Marines who were able to go to other services outside of Christianity during their boot camps, I have also met others who have been discouraged or hassled about being non-Christian.

This is only a small issue, but it represents much of Marine Corps culture. Don't stray from the mainstream. You are not you anymore. You are part of a machine. The young Marine no longer needs to submit to authority after indoctrination precisely because they have achieved double-think, which works primarily as a mechanism for control on the battlefield. This does not necessarily translate into a submissive mind outside the realm of battle. The Marine Corps is full or troops who despise their military as well as political leadership, but because double-think has succeeded in boot camp, they are controllable during battle, regardless of their political or moral views, on the whole. Witness the soldiers interviewed for Michael Moore's new film, Fahrenheit 9/11. In one seen, soldiers are playing with a dead Iraqi body, and in the next, you have a soldier asking for Donald Rumsfeld's resignation.

Indoctrination techniques come in many forms, usually unnoticed by the recruits because of the chaos surrounding them as well as the fact that they actually desire to become Marines, just as they come to desire being under the control of the Marines. For example, just as slaves were often forced to refer to themselves in the third person, so are Marine recruits. Marine recruits in my company had to say, "this recruit", in place of "I". So, instead of saying, "May I use the bathroom?" we would say, "This recruit requests permission to use the head, sir!" Whenever one of us would say "I", we were ordered to jab our eyeballs with our fingers over and over, repeating the word "eye". There was your physical "eye", but no longer the personal "I". Thus, one of the same techniques used for keeping slaves subordinated lives on in the United States Marine Corps, who are the "first to fight" for the defense of the "free" world.

The Marine cannot be produced in any other way than to have this double-think mentality embedded in his/her psyche, especially in today's world of aggressive imperialistic militarism. Without it, how else could they convince people to risk their lives for such unnecessary wars, such as has not only been the case for the vast majority of our nation's history, but throughout human history as well? One can always argue that certain sides of wars have been justifiable in the past, but the amount of times state militaries have invaded for false or downright imperialistic reasons surpasses the "justifiable wars" by many multiples, and will continue to stain human societies until we begin to confront our values as human beings, with the goal of avoiding war until it is a last resort.

Chris White, a former Marine Sgt who served from 1994-98, is currently working on his PhD in history at the University of Kansas. He is a contributor to CounterPunch's new history of the last decade of war, Imperial Crusades. He can be reached at: juliopac@swbell.net

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