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To: TobagoJack who wrote (68044)	8/24/2005 7:39:39 AM
From: shades	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

i figure gold can be hidden, below ground General, did grandfather when he was in jail couple times have much use for GOLD? Did he pay LICE ridden assassins not to kill him with his GOLD coin? If not how did he stay alive? IN fact can you share any personal history when GOLD was GOOD for grandfather and not his connections or power of the PRESS and such? He went through couple of hectic political times - when was it he needed lots of GOLD? I read all I can on your grandpa, many things from many places, not one time does it say your Grandpa whip out some GOLD - how he leave such an impact and not have gold panda?? HAHA - below ground - you must have missed recent dicussion about ground gold on mish thread - here the important highlights: Message 21626849 John Maynard Keynes wrote: " If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coal mines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again ( the right to do so being obtained, of course by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory ) , there need be no more unemployment and with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is." Message 21629145 Keynes argued that workers suffer from money illusion, thus a greater nominal money supply stimulates demand. Of course, he was correct, but Keynes’s economics in the General Theory is an economics where no real scarcities exist, save for the artificial scarcity created by the determination of people not to sell their services and products below certain arbitrarily fixed prices. These prices were in no way ever explained, but were simply assumed to remain at their historically given level (except at rare intervals when "full employment" is approached and goods begin successively to become scarce and to rise in price). Nevertheless, that quote is taken out of context, as the paragraph following the one quoted by “trotsky” is: "The analogy between this expedient and the goldmines of the real world is complete. At periods when gold is available at suitable depths experience shows that the real wealth of the world increases rapidly; and when but little of it is so available, our wealth suffers stagnation or decline. Thus gold-mines are of the greatest value and importance to civilisation. just as wars have been the only form of large-scale loan expenditure which statesmen have thought justifiable, so gold-mining is the only pretext for digging holes in the ground which has recommended itself to bankers as sound finance; and each of these activities has played its part in progress-failing something better. To mention a detail, the tendency in slumps for the price of gold to rise in terms of labour and materials aids eventual recovery, because it increases the depth at which gold-digging pays and lowers the minimum grade of ore which is payable." Keynes always tried to make his detractors look foolish by pointing out their contradictions; the point he is making is that an economist who thinks digging up gold is different from digging up bank notes doesn't know what money is, and probably shouldn't be making any comment. The future of money is RFID card type technology - NOT GOLD - I promise you this. Friends in the industry working on encryption algorithm stuff to make it very secure.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (68044)	8/24/2005 8:14:53 AM
From: shades	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Here is a man that has WILLPOWER General like Keyser Soze from the movie, here is a man that will take your gold if he wants too no matter how deep in the ground you bury it. I doubt you would offer much resistance to such a man of will - best thing to do with this kind of guy - get him playing you on deathmatch and feel happy living in virtual land. Once he gets that taste for real life blood, much of it will be shed. aztlan.net Highly trained Islamic snipers on their way to the USA by Ernesto Cienfuegos La Voz de Aztlan Los Angeles, Alta California - August 23, 2005 - (ACN) The USA mainstream media is "filtering" the news coming out of Iraq. It is not reporting on certain items deemed by the Pentagon to be detrimental to the morale of US troops or their families back home. Conspicuously absent are any reports on "Juba", a sniper who has been terrorizing US soldiers in Baghdad for months. Juba is the name given by US forces to a superbly trained insurgent sniper who has already killed at least 19 GI's including four US Marine snipers in one day. No US soldier has ever seen Juba. They only hear one distinctive shot from a Tabuk sniper rifle (An Iraqi sniper rifle based on the Soviet Kalashnikov but fitted with a long barrel and a muzzle brake. It uses the 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge) and the next thing they see is another GI slumping down dead. The hit is usually to the head but Juba also aims at gaps in the GI's body armor. He has been known to hit his mark from 300 yards which is the length of three football fields. Juba takes only one shot and then disappears. US troops who scramble to find Juba soon after he has struck find only his trademark that consists of a single 7.62mm Kalashnikov cartridge casing with a handwritten note. The note, in Arabic, says, "What has been taken in blood cannot be regained except by blood". The note is signed, "The Baghdad Sniper". Juba is now a mythic hero to the Iraqi resistance. Word on the streets of Baghdad, from those who know Juba, is that his rifle is running out of space to add more "notches" that signify US occupation soldiers he has killed. Juba is now training an "elite" insurgent sniper squad that will target personnel coming in and out from Baghdad's Green Zone. A particular worrisome development for USA based warmongers is a CIA intelligence report that says that a superbly trained Islamic sniper squad is on its way to the USA. According to the report, the Al-Ikhwan Al-Moslemoon (Muslim Brotherhood)is preparing to send a highly trained sniper squad to the USA that will target, at first, the lower and middle level leadership of the Islamophobic organizations that cater to the Zionists. This, we presume, includes the lackeys of the Zionists on radio and television. A few weeks ago, these puppets of Israel added insult to injury when they went on a vile tirade in support of the "toilet flushers" of the Holy Koran at Guantanamo. Many of these radio talk jockeys are not Jews but they act as mouthpieces for their employers who are. One of these virulent pundits for the Zionists said over the airwaves, "US soldiers at Guantanamo should have used the pages of the Koran to wipe their asses!" La Voz de Aztlan received an e-mail from one of our subscribers in Saudi Arabia concerning the CIA report. Ali bin Ahmed bin Saleh Al-Fulani wrote that the Islamic sniper squad should include Congressman Tom Tancredo of the Colorado 6th Congressional District as one of its first targets. Tancredo recently made a public statement proposing that the USA "nuke" Mecca. "Nuke" means blasting a city with a nuclear bomb as was done to Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Mecca is Islam's holiest cities where millions of Muslims make a yearly religious pilgrimage. Ali added, "Instead of nuking the entire 6th congressional district and killing hundreds of thousands innocent civilians, a sniper should "nuke' Tancredo's ass with one 7.62mm Kalashnikov bullet hardened with depleted uranium!" Depleted uranium utilized in USA military projectiles has caused horrendous deformities in Iraqi babies. But if you still insist on burying your gold - I must still keep bringing up online-literature.com The Miser and His Gold Once upon a time there was a Miser who used to hide his gold at the foot of a tree in his garden; but every week he used to go and dig it up and gloat over his gains. A robber, who had noticed this, went and dug up the gold and decamped with it. When the Miser next came to gloat over his treasures, he found nothing but the empty hole. He tore his hair, and raised such an outcry that all the neighbours came around him, and he told them how he used to come and visit his gold. "Did you ever take any of it out?" asked one of them. "Nay," said he, "I only came to look at it." "Then come again and look at the hole," said a neighbour; "it will do you just as much good." Wealth unused might as well not exist.