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Gold/Mining/Energy : PEAK OIL - The New Y2K or The Beginning of the Real End? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill on the Hill who wrote (911)	8/27/2005 5:05:33 PM
From: RWS	Respond to of 1183

Sorry, I was using the wrong half of my brain...in too much hurry this morning. That statement is absurd. What I wanted to say was that H2 can be produced using less energy than presently by replacing CH4 with H2O and coal. There would be a net savings of energy. This process has the interest of major oil sands companies. alchemix.us RWS

To: Bill on the Hill who wrote (911)	8/27/2005 8:36:34 PM
From: gg cox	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1183

"The hydrogen campaign is very generously funded by governments and cleverly managed by fossil industries and nuclear. They have hijacked hydrogen for their own gains, with cynical disregard for the economic and environmental downsides of elbowing renewables out of the way. Today the efficiency gaps of hydrogen are clearly identified [32]. You need four times more primary renewable energy to run a hydrogen system than using electricity directly from wind turbine for example to delivery point. Economics implies avoiding all unnecessary energy conversion steps." " Compare modern society and its growing scarcity of cheap oil with the functional system of a rain forest. In a rain forest you have extreme mineral scarcity and a huge diversity of specialized organisms find their way of living in recycling and managing materials with solar energy, recycling materials and heat. Our own society must turn away from non-sustainable nuclear or chemical fuels like coal, oil or gas and satisfy its energy demand primarily form sustainable “physical sources" like electricity derived from solar, wind, water, ocean waves or geothermal heat, supplemented by biomass from natural growth and organic waste." transcend.org