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Politics : Impeach George W. Bush -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: paret who wrote (41975)	8/27/2005 3:39:49 PM
From: American Spirit	Respond to of 93284

Anyone who supports Bush's war is unrealistic. From the beginning, Bush and Cheney have lied to us and planned so poorly that their mis-steps have literally caused us more problems than Saddam and the insurgents. There was almost no post-invasion planning, our true cause for being there remains unknown and there is still no real dealing with reality going on at the White House. "Staying the cource" would mean another 3-10 years with no "win", just more losses. Because so long as we're seen as crusaders and invaders we will create more terrorists than we destroy. That's not pessimism, it's what's already been borne out and accurately reflects the Arab psyche. In other words, we're making Al Qaida types stronger and stronger and longer we stay. We're also keeping oil prices sky-high as gougers use the war as one of their main excuses for gouging. Those who remember Vietnam know that once the war turned into a quagmire around 1969 it was unwinnable and we should have ended it. But Johnson and Nixon were too proud to admit reality and that cost an extra 25,000 American lives, and untold amounts of others, plus tons of deficit spending we still have not paid off. Iraq is not that different.

To: paret who wrote (41975)	8/28/2005 5:24:08 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 93284

Someone please put a flashlight up to Cindy Sheehan's ear and see how much light comes out the other side. It seems to me that if you are going to shine a flashlight in someone's ear, its Pat Robertson's.........God knows what you will find: Editorial: Why they hate us An editorial August 27, 2005 Pat Robertson is a prominent player in American politics, a hero to so-called "Christian conservatives," a former Republican presidential candidate and the chieftain of a right-wing media conglomerate. But Robertson, like so many conservative blowhards, has no sense of responsibility. He makes outrageous statements. And those statements undermine the safety and security of the United States. Robertson's latest outburst came in the form of a suggestion that the U.S. government ought to arrange the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Appearing Monday on his ridiculous Christian Broadcast Network program, "The 700 Club" - where he regularly prays for shifts in weather systems and big donations from his viewers - Robertson announced: "We have the ability to take him (Chavez) out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability." "We don't need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator," continued Robertson. "It's a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with." The problem with Robertson's statement is that Chavez is not a dictator. He is an elected president with broad popular support in his home country and growing popularity in Latin America. Chavez is not a perfect player. But he has left no doubt that he is on the side of the great mass of people in Venezuela and the rest of Latin America who are poor. At a time when the Bush administration is pushing for trade policies that will make the most disenfranchised people of that region even poorer, Chavez's popularity will only increase. Robertson has a right to his warped opinions - even when he tries to gloss over them with the disingenuous suggestion that he wasn't really talking assassination, but rather some other strategy to "take out" Chavez. But the fact that he is a key player on the same team that produced President Bush has done more than merely make one more right-wing television personality look like a fool. It has provided another reminder to the great majority of Latin Americans that when a leader stands up on their behalf, powerful players in America want him dead. No message could possibly do any more damage to the reputation of the United States. madison.com