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To: freelyhovering who wrote (10166)8/29/2005 12:02:35 AM
From: TheStockStalker  Respond to of 10489
 
I have to think that if Tyson did not take Ali in the first 3 then the odds start geometrically favoring Ali as each round passes. Tyson is like dynamite and sometimes the building just do not fall down as anticipated.

Oz



To: freelyhovering who wrote (10166)8/29/2005 1:36:37 AM
From: rrufff  Respond to of 10489
 
I too had not seen the early fights. I was totally amazed at the hand speed, like watching a lightweight with concrete lining his gloves. His bob and weave, enabled him to avoid being hit as well as come up with a devastating upper cut.

Holding him, as you suggest, seemed to be the way to do it. As he got older, he seemed unable to bob and weave down and then up.

Of course, that's way before he was exposed as having character flaws that were reflected in his inability to come back when he wasn't immediately successful.



To: freelyhovering who wrote (10166)8/29/2005 9:16:49 AM
From: Bwe  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 10489
 
Foreman would've knocked out Tyson in either his first or second career. Tyson's style was made to order for Big George which is why Tyson's people avoided Foreman in his comeback. The type of guy who could beat Foreman, and there weren't many in history, were guys like Ali and Jimmy Young who actually did beat him. I think a Riddick Bowe because of his size and vast array of skills or Lennox Lewis who was a very calculating big man would've given Foreman trouble in the second phase of his career but would have been KO victims in the first.

I would take Marciano over a prime Tyson in a rough tough fight that would end in a late KO for The Rock. The big difference between them is Rocky got stronger as a fight wore on while Tyson became less effective. Marciano was a relentless puncher who never stopped throwing punches and carried his power with him to the end of the fight. Tyson on the other hand never had a come from behind late round KO in his career and really only has the great right uppercut in the 8th round against Buster Douglas to look at as far as doing something special when the chips were down.

Don't forget about Joe Frazier who would have beaten Tyson by KO and who is too often overlooked as an all time great.

Bruce