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To: Joe NYC who wrote (248255)	8/31/2005 1:16:57 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1572711

Stampede kills hundreds of Shiite pilgrims in Baghdad By Qassim Abdul-Zahra The Associated Press PREV \| 1 of 2 \| NEXT BAGHDAD, Iraq – Trampled, crushed against barricades or plunging into the Tigris River, about 700 Shiite pilgrims died Wednesday when a procession across a Baghdad bridge was engulfed in panic over rumors that a suicide bomber was at large. Most of the dead were women and children, Interior Ministry spokesman Lt. Col. Adnan Abdul-Rahman said. It was the single biggest confirmed loss of life in Iraq since the March 2003 invasion. Health Ministry spokesman Qassim Yahya said 695 were killed and 180 injured. continued........... seattletimes.nwsource.com

To: Joe NYC who wrote (248255)	8/31/2005 5:31:37 PM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 1572711

I don't have statistical evidence, but common sense is dictating to me very strongly. It is human nature to want to separate ourselves into divisions. We typically do it along the lines of race and religion. Division almost always creates an us vs. them attitude which leads to acrimony and sometimes to violence. European countries have always been a little snooty in their thinking. They claim to be inclusive, but letting lots of Muslim immigrants into their countries, but they do a piss poor job of integrating them. Most Muslims in those countries feel that they are discriminated against and that they can't get jobs, etc. That leads to acrimony and violence. America, although by no means perfect, has done a much better job at integrating different races and religions. We had a rocky start with the Indians and black people, whom we treated abominably, but since then, especially in the last 50 years, incredible strides have been made to integrate people. Much is left to be done, but I still believe integration and stamping out discrimination is the key to a healthy society. Now I'm the last person to preach to others about discrimination. I used to think I was non-discriminatory, but in the last 3 years, for the first time in my life, I'm feeling very discriminatory against Muslims. So the point is that we all struggle, but integration and non-discrimination should be the goal and that will help societies overcome their differences. A state like Israel's whose very structure is based on Jewish purity is doomed to violence and ultimately failure, UNLESS God really has a special plan for Israel to protect them from eventual disintigration, but that's a religious discussion for a different debate.