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To: Gib Bogle who wrote (68361)9/4/2005 1:34:34 PM
From: arun gera  Respond to of 74559
 
The same strength of will exhibited by a person trying to use intelligence to understand everything!

>From a more personal perspective, I can't help admiring those who are able to believe what they want, rather than what their intelligence tries to impose on them. Such strength of will!>

We are all fundamentally limited to the experience of our senses and memories of the sensations. Beyond that our understanding is dependent on the shared experiences whether oral or written. Language allows to share experiences and alternate views of realities that we otherwise would not have. Before written languages came into existence (thousands of years ago), oral sharing of experiences was the way (if you want to think of the relevance to that to evolution, look at your three year old when you are telling them a story!)

In ancient Hindu societies, the brahmins were delegated the task of passing on the pool of human experiences through oral tradition. They were required to "learn by heart" all the knowledge of the day, and it started in childhood. Thus knowledge (The vedas, for instance) were stored in rhythmic verses so that the brahmin could learn it like a song. At some point a few thousand years ago, these verses were actually written down.

The strength of religions and their dominance stems from the written word. The investment of religionists to resort to writing resulted in two-three milleniums of domination in societies. The Gutenberg invention probably made it easier to record the experiences of even less important subjects resulting in the development of other sciences and arts, and their proliferation among the masses. The internet allows us to share even more trivial experiences, which may result in the flowering of new arts and fields 10-50 years from now.

The religious are fighting harder and harder as their advantages in dominating mindshare slip away. Some things may be still going in their favor, as they have centuries of "branding" advantage and humans may seek refuge in "branded" products of thought ("dogma") rather than being continuously challenged by alternate realities. Don't you notice the closed minds on either side of the debate that goes on on siliconinvestor? In spite of the fact that these boards are populated by a lot of smart people.

-Arun



To: Gib Bogle who wrote (68361)9/4/2005 1:41:01 PM
From: arun gera  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 74559
 
>But let's face facts: Hindus are just as nutty as Christians, Moslems, Jews etc.>

Those are human deficiencies. So why pick on Hindus?

-Arun



To: Gib Bogle who wrote (68361)9/4/2005 1:49:44 PM
From: Slagle  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 74559
 
Gib Re: "Nutty" When you call groups of people hateful names, you had better add "atheist" to your list of nutcases because atheism is a belief system, as rigid as any. An atheist would claim God does not exist, but like a believer he would do this without proof. To disprove the existence of God is a fool's errand. It cannot be done, anymore that a believer can prove the existence of God. Believe what you will but try to refrain from the name calling.
Slagle