To: RetiredNow who wrote (249501 ) 9/5/2005 3:03:13 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1572131 It's obvious why black people make up the largest section of the underclass. They were enslaved and brought to this country. It obviously takes many centuries to overcome that legacy, although incredible strides have been taken in just the last 50 years to erase a lot of that blight. As far as the "brown" people, as I assume you are calling hispanics (of which I am one, although I never thought to call myself brown), they came here largely through immigration. Mexicans flood over the border in Texas and California all the time to do our most menial labor, which to them is a hell of a lot better than what they could get at home. They are a vital part of our economy, although I'd like to see more control placed over their methods of immigration. They are breaking the laws of this country by "flooding over the border". When was breaking the laws of a country a good thing? In areas of the country where they are not available, American citizens are doing the work that they do. Therefore, it can be argued that they take work away from Americans.Those "brown" immigrants may start off doing menial labor, but their kids are born American citizens, go to school, and in many cases do much better than their parents. And in many cases, at least in CA, they join gangs and become destructive members of society. So what is your point?I am a classic example of an immigrants son. My father came here, did ok, but not great. He made sure I got well-educated and I've done great, at least in my own book. Great. I am glad to hear it.So your sympathy is misplaced. Us "brown" people don't need your faux sympathy, since it is usually delivered in a distinctly unpleasant, condescending way. First of all, my empathy, not sympathy, is not "faux"; secondly, show me where I presented my empathy in a condescending manner. If that is true, I will make sure it doesn't happen in the future.Just give us a way to get here legally and let us pay into your system through taxes, so that we can be a contributing member of society, and we'll figure the rest out. I couldn't agree more.As far as blacks go, from what I can see, they still have a ways to go. The worst off are those living in very poor, crime ridden communities. It takes a herculean effort for some lucky soul to break free of that vicious cycle. But the other blacks that grow up in typical middle class or better families, have as much chance as the rest of us to do well in this country. Two names for you: Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell. One more for you Clarence Thomas. I believe that there is serious psychological damage to the black race in this country. There are exceptions like the Fords in TN, the mayor of NO, Rice, Powell and others who rise above the fray but I think those people are exceptional in many ways. In addition, for many years, the black race in this country was bred for traits that were conducive to slavery. I wonder at times if this has had a negative impact on the black genome. In any case, I see the problem as being very complex and will take considerable work to rectify.........we are paying for the crimes of 'our fathers'.Of course, many blacks call them Uncle Tom's, just because they are educated and have done well. More shame to them as a group for doing that. They should embrace their successful people, as we hispanics do, as examples to follow. They should not deride people like Colin and Condi for eschewing the use of ebonics and other signs of a lack of education in favor of an erudite way of speaking and a gentile manner. I mean don't we all, black, brown, whatever, aspire to be as poised and well-spoken as someone like Condi? I know I do. Anyway, let's stop talking about this race thing. I find it ridiculous in the extreme that the race card is being played in New Orleans. Sorry that you find it offensive but its part of the reality of American life and particularly for NO after hurricane Katrina.