To: illyia who wrote (37469 ) 9/7/2005 8:33:50 PM From: cirrus Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 362358 This is what Ruppert wrote:...as the economic collapse of the United States becomes ever harder to conceal, FEMA will have been given a green light to impose the most draconian and heartless of measures in our country. FEMA will have the ability to divide the US up into ten autonomous regions, independently governed. Denver will be key to that decentralization and I note with irony that the CIA recently announced it was moving its National Resources (formerly Domestic Operations) Division to Denver (Washington Post, May 5, 2005) . FEMA will have the authority to confiscate any private property, food, medicine, personal vehicles, water supplies and even to impress citizens into forced labor and relocation as needed. FEMA will be able to override all local governments in a declared national emergency, quarantine neighborhoods and compel people to receive untested (for efficacy) vaccinations of drugs which may be dangerous (remember the smallpox vaccines?) and which will only enrich the pharmaceutical companies. FEMA will have the authority to confiscate firearms and gold held by private individuals. The government records proving what I say here are available in abundance and have been widely circulated over the internet for years. The little that remains of our Bill of Rights will simply cease to exist with a Code Red terror alert or another Katrina. If this thinking is not curtailed, then as the economic collapse of the United States becomes ever harder to conceal, FEMA will have been given a green light to impose the most draconian and heartless of measures in our country. FEMA will have the ability to divide the US up into ten autonomous regions, independently governed. Denver will be key to that decentralization and I note with irony that the CIA recently announced it was moving its National Resources (formerly Domestic Operations) Division to Denver (Washington Post, May 5, 2005) . FEMA will have the authority to confiscate any private property, food, medicine, personal vehicles, water supplies and even to impress citizens into forced labor and relocation as needed. FEMA will be able to override all local governments in a declared national emergency, quarantine neighborhoods and compel people to receive untested (for efficacy) vaccinations of drugs which may be dangerous (remember the smallpox vaccines?) and which will only enrich the pharmaceutical companies. FEMA will have the authority to confiscate firearms and gold held by private individuals. The government records proving what I say here are available in abundance and have been widely circulated over the internet for years. The little that remains of our Bill of Rights will simply cease to exist with a Code Red terror alert or another Katrina. And global warming makes another Katrina somewhere inevitable. Confiscate gold? Override all local governments? Independently governed autonomous regions? This is the stuff right-wing survivalists have been saying for decades. Only Ruppert packages it differently. What do we see now, in reality? The military is telling the mayor of New Orleans: "You want forced evacuations? We don't do forced evacuations. We don't force Americans from their homes under any circumstances. If you believe it's legal, you do it." If video of Americans being dragged out of their homes by New Orleans cops starts appearing on CNN, watch the outcry. Despite the mayor's big mouth, mass forced evacuation of New Orleans won't happen. Another point: The civilians in FEMA wouldn't allow pets in evacuation centers. The military doesn't have a problem hauling up a pet with the owner and taking them to shelters. Now we have groups going door to door looking for and rescuing pets. This could have been avoided if owners were permitted to take their pets in carriers. Bet FEMA changes the policy soon. Minor as it may be, that image of a cop tearing a tiny dog out of a ten year old boy's arms before putting him on a bus didn't sit well with a lot of Americans. The dead bodies of those who decide to ride out a hurricane in a town 9 feet below sea level we can handle. That was called "choice". Government taking away a kid's harmless pet, on the other hand, is revolting. But, and this is important, if it turns out that 10,000 people died because the govt didn't offer a choice to those without the means to leave... buses, trucks, etc.... but instead condemned them to die... that's not right and America won't stand for it. I could go on and on, but FEMA is pretty low on everyone's list right now and you won't see Congress giving an incompetent agency MORE power and authority. FEMA doesn't need any more authority. It needs better, common sense execution. That's obvious. You write that Ruppert seems focused on the "elites" maintaining control over a population better "kept in the dark" More repackaged right-wing nonsense. Who are the "elites" and how do you keep a population "in the dark" in the age of CNN and the internet? Doesn't happen. The FEMA boss looked like a dumbass saying things were "under control" while the CNN reporter was documenting just the reverse. His effort to "keep people in the dark" was pathetic and will be long remembered as America ponders the handling of the Katrina debacle. "Peak oil" may be a reality but it's not the end of civilization as we know it. General Electric, not known for wild goose chases, is spending huge amounts of money on hydrogen R&D, as are BP, GM and a host of other companies. BMW has an engine that can run on hydrogen whenever hydrogen becomes available. Wind farms are appearing in more and more locations. Solar costs have come down by a factor of 10 and are falling further. The LCD monitor I'm using now uses a fraction of the power my old CRT used a few years ago. Higher priced oil will only speed the switch to alternative fuels and technologies. Ruppert's scare tactics are old right-wing techniques in new packaging. I have faith that the American people won't let his "far out" conclusions get anywhere near the light of day. Finally, a Democrat in the White House in 2008 is not a certainty. I worked for Kerry in 2004, but I'd vote for a good Republican - such as John McCain - over Hilary in 2008.