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To: Live2Sail who wrote (41064)	9/9/2005 12:52:47 AM
From: John Vosilla	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 306849

"I can only think of a few like this: Boston, SF, NO, NYC, Philly, DC(?), Montreal, Austin" I would put Chicago and Seattle right at the top of any list too. Like you I find that most every city of the south lacks any sort of a vibrant downtown. Florida downtowns are the absolute pits for a state with 17M+. I give em all an F except Orlando, which gets a higher grade as it is better than say Tampa or Phoenix which ain't saying much. Only Austin seems to stand out above the crowd so far. If I had to guess I'd bet Houston and Atlanta become the shining stars of urban gentrification in the south.

To: Live2Sail who wrote (41064)	9/9/2005 3:00:34 AM
From: Elroy Jetson	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

Los Angeles has quite a number of vibrant downtowns, but none of them are in Los Angeles. Downtown activity is found in Pasadena, Redondo Beach, West Hollywood, Santa Monica, Westwood and many others. They're all part of what people consider Los Angeles. Yet the official downtown area of Los Angeles belongs to the homeless after dark. Attempt after attempt to "revitalize" downtown Los Angeles have failed. In truth, I think there is very little reason for it to exist. If they moved City Hall elsewhere I think it would go into an irreparable decline. .