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To: Ilaine who wrote (67765)	9/13/2005 3:44:34 PM
From: JF Quinnelly	Respond to of 71178

Well of course conservatives use it as a sneer. It is a derision well earned by the very faction which so often boasts of its commitment to tolerance and open debate, but once in power enforces a rigid code against speech and opinion of which it disapproves. Nat Henthoff of the Village Voice, the great liberal advocate of free speech, wrote a book on the subject some ten years ago. Free Speech for Me But Not for Thee. The practice of restrictive speech began on the academic left, and the prime offenders are of that persuasion. PC has also been called cultural marxism in honor of its love for authoritarian methods and prosecuting those whom it can. Henthoff may not be sneering, but he did expose the PC left as being enemies of free thought and free speech, which he thought was a danger to all parts of the political spectrum.

To: Ilaine who wrote (67765)	9/13/2005 3:52:29 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

I have never heard liberals use it as something to carry a banner for. I, like you, have heard it mostly from sneering conservatives. Sadly, I do not think those sneering conservatives realize just how much "PC" thinking has cleaned up some pretty soiled habits we used to have in this society. Jokes about race and sexual orientation are (thankfully) now so outre that no one normal makes them in the workplace around people who are not intimate friends(and fellow bigots). While PC probably seems restrictive (especially to bigots) it's actually just mandated politeness. In a society as fractured as ours, I think a bit of mandated politeness is probably called for. Can mandated politeness go overboard? Yeah, but it sure as heck beats the other extreme. Just my two cents.

To: Ilaine who wrote (67765)	9/13/2005 4:24:42 PM
From: Rambi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 71178

Well, there you go. I wasn't so far off then even at 3am. a body of liberal or radical opinion, esp. on social matters, characterized by the advocacy of approved causes or views. When I read the original story, it had seemed to me that the decision to accommodate multiculturalism was going too far when tribunals were being set up, and Muslim women themselves felt threatened. PC is a term that we perhaps do use rather loosely and even derogatorily. Although in this case, I was using it not nastily ( because you KNOW I am never that) but because I DO think it can be applied to those things that start going beyond common sense in an excessive effort to be accommodating-- and this appeared to me to be one case. And now I am done with PC and will never ever use those words again.