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To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (68613)	9/17/2005 5:37:34 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Elroy, you are obviously confused and ignorant about what happens in NZ and what I think. <Perhaps New Zealand should raise their tax rates to the Australian level, so New Zealand too can "quickly build dirty great roads."> Taxes for roads have been on the books for decades and more are regularly introduced. But the money doesn't go on roads. It goes on Hip Hop tours and other government gurgler projects. There is a common saying here, among those of a socialist greenie bent "There's no point in building roads because they just generate more traffic and make the problem worse". They think that is a winning irrefutable logical argument rather than simply moronic. Where roads are built, such as the motorway from Albany to Orewa, death goes down, efficiency goes up, happiness increases. The bridge in Tauranga was great. But then, the mindless "everything should be free" mob managed to get the tolls taken off, which instantly caused traffic jams on it and the approaches and cut off the cash flow which could have built another bridge and motorways hither and yon in and around Tauranga/Mount Maunganui/Tepuke/Kaimais/Katikati as well as an international airport. Instead of roads, we have taxes, waste of said taxes on dole, dpb, general bludging and stupid government ideas and traffic jams and people going to Australia where they have roads. Once upon a time, New Zealand spent taxes on things which did good things, such as electricity supplies, water supplies, airports, wharves, railways, and common good facilities. Now it all goes down the gurgler of private good wastage [booze and smokes for dole bludgers - and medical facilities to treat their diabetes and other self-inflicted illnesses]. No, the tax rates in Australia don't create anything. Sensible spending is what creates things. Say NZ and Oz both collect $1 billion in taxes and Oz builds another 6 lane harbour crossing and NZ hires another swarm of sickness beneficiaries and government departments to manage them. Which do you think will be a better place to live? Mqurice PS: Decades ago, they did an equally stupid thing as Tauranga and stopped charging tolls on the Auckland harbour bridge, resulting in decades of big traffic jams and no new roads or bridges or tunnels. The bridge in 1959 created a huge windfall capital gain for those who gained access to the city from their land which was just farmland. The toll was a way of collecting some of that private gain to repay the public cost of the bridge and to make some profit to enable further development. It was ridiculous to take off the toll.

To: Elroy Jetson who wrote (68613)	9/17/2005 6:13:45 PM
From: Gib Bogle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Hey Elroy, stop muddying the water with facts! The main problem NZ has as a business environment is that it is a very small market (and far from foreign markets). This translates into limited job opportunities (and pay rates) as well, which is why graduates leave. The best prospect for NZ business is expansion of trading with Asia, particularly China (Oz is on the same track). This has policy been pushed strongly by the current government - the right-wing loonies (e.g. on the nz.general ng) see this as NZ being taken over by the Chinese commies, with the connivance of H. Clark. Heh.