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To: Solon who wrote (40584)	9/20/2005 3:42:43 PM
From: Lazarus_Long	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

I still hold with Jefferson that gun ownership is a right. If gun ownership is a right, don't you actually have to do something or be something with insufficient judgement capabilities (like a kid) to have that right revoked? Exactly WHAT did J6P with no criminal record do such that you, Mr. Gov't, have the right to deny him his rights? If you accept Jefferson's premise (that gov't would have to be overthrown every 20-30 years to keep it democratic), HOW can you deny honest citizenry the right to bear arms? Yeah. NYC. There's a GOOD example. Nice quiet town with no murders, no drug dealers, no criminals, right?

To: Solon who wrote (40584)	9/21/2005 1:27:40 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

Yes people carrying a gun are more likely to use it in inappropriate ways then someone without a gun. They are also much more likely to use it to defend themselves or others. Why do you think it is so hard to get a carry permit in New York?? Because the city government in New York either isn't looking out for the interests and freedom of its people. It might think it is but that isn't the same thing. It is extraordinarily difficult to get a permit in New York City. So difficult that many don't make the attempt, they either give up, or get an illegal unregistered gun without a permit. Would you argue that replacing that regime with a much less restrictive and burdensome one would, over a sustained period of time, increase gun violence over NYC's current level? If so I'd disagree. The link in my last post is just a humorous way to make the argument that "guns do not kill people do". This isn't just sophistry. Having a gun can make you, and the people around you safer. The argument is the proper response to those who directly argue or imply that the presence of a gun is always a net negative in terms of safety, or is otherwise normally a very bad thing. Tim